Spare a thought- The Double Event

[Phil H]

I believe the stomach flaps indicate more influence from what the papers reported about Annies murder than Kates Phil.

I take your word for it, Michael.

Phil H

[Michael W Richards]

The something more, Mr SH

What was done to MJK seems to me to have been personal in a sense that none of the other murders were. It has to do with the attempt to literally "deface" her, to destroy her identity, and the focused attack on her sexual organs, genitalia and breasts. If it is true, the absense of her heart may say something deeply meaningful - was she (in the oppinion of her killer) "heartless"?

My own view is, as it has evolved over years, that the use of her room, her having undressed, perhaps having been attacked while she was sleeping, all suggest that she was very relaxed and comfortable with her killer. I wonder whether barnett, Fleming (said to have been abusive to he) or "Morganstone" (whomever he might have been) might be credible suspects.

the nature of the crime could be an attempt to mask a crime of passion by seeking to emulate what the murderer has READ but not seen about how Eddowes was treated.

Phil H

I believe the stomach flaps indicate more influence from what the papers reported about Annies murder than Kates Phil.

There is little if any doubt that Marys killer performed acts upon her that are consistent with a pre-existing relationship of some kind between killer and victim. Added to the location....in her room on her own bed....the demeanor of Mary when she was attacked....in her chemise on the bed close to the partition wall, (leaving room for someone to slip in beside her?)....its impossible to believe that the killer was not in that room uninvited.

Cheers

[Michael W Richards]

Hello,
I've never seen that before. What is your source for Elizabeth Stride being pregnant.

Thanks,

curious

The source is a vivid imagination curious. Liz was not pregnant.

Cheers

[Phil H]

The something more, Mr SH

What was done to MJK seems to me to have been personal in a sense that none of the other murders were. It has to do with the attempt to literally "deface" her, to destroy her identity, and the focused attack on her sexual organs, genitalia and breasts. If it is true, the absense of her heart may say something deeply meaningful - was she (in the oppinion of her killer) "heartless"?

My own view is, as it has evolved over years, that the use of her room, her having undressed, perhaps having been attacked while she was sleeping, all suggest that she was very relaxed and comfortable with her killer. I wonder whether barnett, Fleming (said to have been abusive to he) or "Morganstone" (whomever he might have been) might be credible suspects.

the nature of the crime could be an attempt to mask a crime of passion by seeking to emulate what the murderer has READ but not seen about how Eddowes was treated.

Phil H

[Cogidubnus]

RIP ladies

Dave

[curious]

Was it today?

eh mate your forgetting the 3rd victim; Stride's kid; she was pregnant when she was killed

Hello,
I've never seen that before. What is your source for Elizabeth Stride being pregnant.

Thanks,

curious

[kensei]

Sitting here in America on the anniversary of the Double Event, about eight hours after the moment of it by British time. The sun is up in London as I write this, but it's still dark here, and the moon is full tonight. Though the days of the week are the same this year, there was no such light in the sky that night 124 years ago. It was as dark as it gets, in more ways than one. The darkest of nights, the darkest of shadows, the darkest of evil. No matter what the real truths are, the Devil smiled over Whitechapel that night. The victims are in their graves and we pray for their souls. The killer or killers are in theirs as well, and he or they are welcome to them.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Precisely - that is the traditional argument..

I think that it is almost certainly the rationale behind Nichols, Chapman (and may be Eddowes) at least. One could add Mckenzie though that might be by another hand.

Stride may have been an unpremeditated act of passion by her former lover - I call it a "domestic" - but I know others don't like the term.

MJK - I feel something more was going on here and sense a murder by someone who knew her intimately.

But for MJK and Eddowes people do talk Fenian.

Phil H

What is the SOMETHING MORE that was going on with MJK (in your valuable opinion)

[Phil H]

Precisely - that is the traditional argument..

I think that it is almost certainly the rationale behind Nichols, Chapman (and may be Eddowes) at least. One could add Mckenzie though that might be by another hand.

Stride may have been an unpremeditated act of passion by her former lover - I call it a "domestic" - but I know others don't like the term.

MJK - I feel something more was going on here and sense a murder by someone who knew her intimately.

But for MJK and Eddowes people do talk Fenian.

Phil H

[Sherlock Holmes]

It was his thing, he got into it, it answered something in his miserable twisted soul.

So JTR murders because; to quote sergeant Sally Donovan "He gets off on it"?

Regards
Mr Holmes

[Beowulf]

explain please
Mr Holmes

It was his thing, he got into it, it answered something in his miserable twisted soul.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Double Event, Jack's take:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3svW8PM_jc

Oh, that's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
When you take me by the hand,
Tell me I'm your loving man,
When you give me all your love,
And do it the very best you can,
Oh, that's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
When I get to be in your arms,
When we're all all alone,
When you whisper sweet in my ear,
When you turn, turn me on,
Oh, that's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.

explain please
Mr Holmes

[Beowulf]

Double Event, Jack's take:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3svW8PM_jc

Oh, that's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
When you take me by the hand,
Tell me I'm your loving man,
When you give me all your love,
And do it the very best you can,
Oh, that's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
When I get to be in your arms,
When we're all all alone,
When you whisper sweet in my ear,
When you turn, turn me on,
Oh, that's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.
That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh,
I like it, uh-huh, uh-huh.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Here we are on another anniversary. RIP Elizabeth and Catherine.

Was it today?

eh mate your forgetting the 3rd victim; Stride's kid; she was pregnant when she was killed

[Barnaby]

Here we are on another anniversary. RIP Elizabeth and Catherine.