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  • "Very little blood around the neck“ can mean that she had shed all the blood to the ground (as the IWMC people said), and what remained on her neck was the coagulated bit, which would stick anyway. Clearly, the Johnston chap's testimony does not show medical expertise."

    Johnston never mentions the coagulation state of the blood on her neck, but obviously if the thicker stream in the rut was clotted, then the thin layer on her neck would have been even more so.
    Incidentally, I fail to see in what regard Johnstons testimony points him out as medical expertise. He is quite concise about what he saw and did, and he is not offering his knowledge to a board of colleauges but to an inquest into Stride´s death.

    "this is Victorian medicine"

    Which means nothing. Same procedures then. If you read my dissertation you will find that the expertise on the area can pin this.

    Here is the relevant part:

    "To find out how a pulse palpation would have been carried out by a doctor back in 1888, I contacted professor Karin Johannisson at Uppsala University, who, besides from being a doctor of both medicine and physiology, is also a renowned scientist into medical history with a number of published and highly rewarded books on the subject. This is the answer I received:

    " I consulted my own book "Tecknen" (which would translate into "The signs"), which partly deals with the history of medical examinations, and where I published four pictures of pulse palpation, all of them details of Dutch paintings. In all of the cases, the doctors thumb is placed on the back of the hand or the upper side of the wrist, though with some variations between the pictures. On page 31, I describe Hufelands directions from 1839, stating that three or four fingers should be used at the wrist.

    That a doctor would have used his thumb to palpate the pulse is not credible.

    Karin Johannisson".

    The best,
    Fisherman
    Last edited by Fisherman; 09-30-2010, 04:28 PM.

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    • Thanks so much, Fisherman.
      I'll definitely look into the inquiry and your dissertation at a quiter time (from Berlin).
      Now I gotta run.
      Best regards,
      Maria

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      • Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
        Hello Abby.

        "maybe that is why her reluctance to immediately accompany the man she was with into a dark alley led to the very un-JtR outburst that IS witnessed?"

        1. What is an un-JTR outburst?

        2. Who witnessed this?

        Cheers.
        LC
        Hi Lynn

        1. What is an un-JTR outburst?

        attacking/grabbing a woman in public-therby bringing attention to himself and the altercation.

        2. Who witnessed this?

        IS-Israel Schwartz

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        • Originally posted by mariab View Post
          Lynn Cates wrote:
          What is an un-JTR outburst?

          An un-JTR outburst is an outburst so violent, it can't even be tolerated on the JTR forums.

          Lynn Cates wrote:
          Who witnessed this?

          I've witnessed many such outbursts on said forums already, even as a newbie.

          Lynn, just for jolly, would you care to read a 3 pages short German proposal of mine chock full of socialist jargon, which truly sounds like written by Philip Krantz – or Pyotr Kropotkin? Actually it's pretty ingenious ( do I sound like Wescott now? But it truly is), as it's essentially been copied and pasted from pieces and parts from my dissertation, but I buffed up the socialist rhetoric into Ben Feigenbaum proportions. (It's for an appointment at the Marc Bloch Center, so the socialist rhetoric is pretty self-explanatory.)
          [QUOTE=mariab;149035]Lynn Cates wrote:
          What is an un-JTR outburst?

          An un-JTR outburst is an outburst so violent, it can't even be tolerated on the JTR forums.

          Lynn Cates wrote:
          Who witnessed this?

          I've witnessed many such outbursts on said forums already, even as a newbie.



          HAHA-good one!

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          • Isnt it time you all stopped playing doctors and nurses !!!!!!!!!! this thread is becoming boring now its been done to death (no pun intended)

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            • I know, we've been doing this in 3 different Stride threads since at least June (when I joined casebook). (“Play doctor?“ Somebody's gonna make jokes about this later on, no doubt.)
              Best regards,
              Maria

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              • Hello Abby.

                "1. What is an un-JTR outburst?

                attacking/grabbing a woman in public-therby bringing attention to himself and the altercation.

                2. Who witnessed this?

                IS-Israel Schwartz"

                Regarding #1, if there WERE a JTR, how do we know he didn't behave like this frequently?

                Regarding #2, again, you are assuming the truth of his story.

                Cheers.
                LC

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                • naughty evil Zoot

                  Hello Trevor. Playing doctor? No, I'll leave that for the blondes and brunettes at the Castle Anthrax. Besides, their bedside manner is preferable to mine.

                  Cheers.
                  LC

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                  • Hi Trevor,

                    Doctors and nurses, eh?

                    "Big breaths."

                    "Yeth, and I'm only thixteen."

                    Ah, those were the days.

                    Regards,

                    Simon
                    Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                    • Playing doctor? That reminds me of the classic joke - a little boy and a little girl are playing doctor. They both drop their pants. The little boy proudly points to himself and says "I have one of these and you don't. The little girl starts crying and runs into the house. A few minutes later she comes out with a big smile on her face. The little boy says "what are you smiling about?" She pulls down her pants and says "I told my Mommy what you said and she said I have one of these and with one one of these I can get all of those I want."

                      Truer words were never spoken.

                      c.d.

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                      • Maybe JtR was "playing doctor"

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                        • Originally posted by c.d.
                          Playing doctor? That reminds me of the classic joke - a little boy and a little girl are playing doctor. They both drop their pants. The little boy proudly points to himself and says "I have one of these and you don't. The little girl starts crying and runs into the house. A few minutes later she comes out with a big smile on her face. The little boy says "what are you smiling about?" She pulls down her pants and says "I told my Mommy what you said and she said I have one of these and with one one of these I can get all of those I want."
                          LOL. That was hilarious.

                          Yours truly,

                          Tom Wescott

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                          • It would be even funnier if it weren't so damn true.

                            c.d.

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                            • That little girl's mom was a pretty streetwise one.
                              Hey, wasn't yesterday the anniversary of the Double Event?!
                              Best regards,
                              Maria

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