Who is the most Canonial non-Canonical? POLL

[DVV]

Nor have I said that you claimed that Smith is a Ripper victim?

Ditlew

Alas, I wish I could...

Amitiés,
David

[ditlew]

Hi DVV,

Ditlew,

we have the right to discuss Emma's case.
All pre-canonicals are "possibilities" ( did I say : "Smith is a Ripper victim, that's a fact"?).
Even Tabram is nothing but a possibility.
That's the very definition of "precanonical".

Of course you have the right, I have never said otherwise? Nor have I said that you claimed that Smith is a Ripper victim?

Best Regards,
Ditlew

[Uncle Jack]

Right, Adam,

but to me the "3 Osborn Street thieves" are even more unlikely than the Ripper.

Amitiés,
David

I agree with that statement my friend. If I was to believe anything I would suggest that her attacker may have been her pimp.

[DVV]

Ditlew,

we have the right to discuss Emma's case.
All pre-canonicals are "possibilities" ( did I say : "Smith is a Ripper victim, that's a fact"?).
Even Tabram is nothing but a possibility.
That's the very definition of "precanonical".

Amitiés,
David

[DVV]

Right, Adam,

but to me the "3 Osborn Street thieves" are even more unlikely than the Ripper.

Amitiés,
David

[ditlew]

Hi DVV,

I was simply saying that her pain doesn't explain "married woman" and "charwoman" - which are rather an attempt to hide her being a prostitute and a widow.

I never claimed that it would, which I fell that you very much implied in your post
#54 and hence my reaction.

All in all I guess I just have to get used you and perhaps others stating your speculations as facts and not as possibilities and leave it at that.

Best Regards,
Ditlew

[Uncle Jack]

What has to be taken into account is that just because Emma may have lied that still does not mean to say she was attacked by the Ripper.....

[DVV]

Strange argument...

Is it more painful to articulate "widow" than "married woman" ?

Would they have asked her details about her sad fall into prostitution before taking care of her health ?

Amitiés,
David

Here's the post 54.
Answering your objection (something like : she didn't talk much cos she was suffering etc), and the words into brackets aren't quoted from you.
I was simply saying that her pain doesn't explain "married woman" and "charwoman" - which are rather an attempt to hide her being a prostitute and a widow.

Hope it's clear now.

Amitiés,
David

[ditlew]

DVV,

You still misundestand me, and moreover, accuse me of lying...

But I haven't misquoted you.
I haven't even quoted you, in fact.

Check post #54. If that ain't a quote I don't know what is? And just to remind you, you can see here why I claim you misquoted me: #56

I'm might have misunderstood you as you claim, if that is that case, you have my appologies.

Best Regards,
Ditlew

[DVV]

No no, you misquoted me. Took something I had said, put it into another contex and claimed it had a different meaning.

I haven't misquoted you.
I haven't even quoted you, in fact.

Amitiés,
David

[DVV]

You misquote me and hence are lying? The remark you quote were regarding her talk with the women NOT the doctor, come on.

Best Regards,
Ditlew

Lying ? Certainly not. You misunderstand me and forget the implications of what you've said above.

Fortunately, the problem is quite simple.
She's registered as a married charwoman, but was actually a widow and a prostitute.
For what reason ?
The same that inspired her "gang story".
That's the topic.

Amitiés,
David

[ditlew]

DVV,

Indeed, that was the very point. She "omitted" more facts to her friends...that's a fact. And it answers your objection. As you well understand, since I'm of opinion she lied, it makes no difference to me.

No no, you misquoted me. Took something I had said, put it into another contex and claimed it had a different meaning. THAT is an example of lying, and had I not corrected you, people who had only seen your post, would have thought wrong of me.

What Emma did was something completely different, and one can only claim that she was lying by speculating about what took place and what her motivations was.

Best Regards,
Ditlew

[DVV]

DVV,

.. plus as you have just pointed out yourself, we don't know who inlisted her. It might have been her friends.

Best Regards,
Ditlew

Once again, it makes no difference to me.
Mary Russell was a deputy lodger, whose lodging house was used by prostitutes.
Both Emma's story and the Hospital records (informed by Emma and/or Mary) hide the fact that she was a prostitute.

What can I say more ?

Amitiés,
David

[DVV]

You misquote me and hence are lying? The remark you quote were regarding her talk with the women NOT the doctor, come on.

Ditlew

Indeed, that was the very point. She "omitted" more facts to her friends...that's a fact. And it answers your objection. As you well understand, since I'm of opinion she lied, it makes no difference to me.

Amitiés,
David

[ditlew]

DVV,

.. plus as you have just pointed out yourself, we don't know who inlisted her. It might have been her friends.

Best Regards,
Ditlew