Jack's first
In my view, Martha Tabram. The whole confusion about two knives is, I believe explainable by the knife getting stuck in the sternum and being wiggled to remove it. (Mind you this is only OPINION) Regards, Neil
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Originally posted by sdreid View PostWho do you think was JtR's first kill?
But I think he’d have learnt what went wrong from his first attack, having left Annie Millwood both alive, and probably having gotten quite a good look at him, so he changed the time of his attack to night, where he was likely to be more invisible.
And then learning again, after no doubt Martha putting up enough of a struggle that the attack could have been heard (as far as he knew), as well as getting fairly well covered in blood spray, he decided to strangle his 3rd victim first, Polly Nichols, thus committing a relatively quiet murder, and not sustaining too much blood splatter or spray once he got to work on her. This method working for him, he continued with it, when he killed Annie Chapman, and Catherine Eddowes. I’m as yet undecided about Stride, whether or not she was a JtR victim, and Kelly, who I think could definitely have been – but if so, he would have found it very hard to stop after getting away with that.
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I believe that the Smith and Tabram murders were connected, most probably by the same group of people, or person.
But taken objectively, there is some doubt in my mind as to whether the Smith/Tabram killer(s) can be linked to the definitive JTR victims.
There is absolutely nothing to say that the murderer of Smith & Tabram went on to kill the canonical victims. There is only Wescott's argument that Pearly Poll knew something about the murder of Tabram and potentially was complicit in protecting the murderer. However there is always the possibility that another killer emerged after Tabram's death and went on to become Jack the Ripper.
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Originally posted by Abby Normal View PostThe mere fact that Tabram was found on her back, legs spread and had her skirt pushed up like the other ripper victims should seal it for you. And she DID have had stab wounds to the "private" parts.
Now, I’m not saying that this means Tabram was killed by the Ripper, but it does mean that she can’t be blown out of the frame for being a Ripper victim quite as easily as some suggest.
All the best,
Frank
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Originally posted by Dr. John Watson View PostHarry D, I presume your point is that some knife-wielding killer other than JTR could have murdered Tabram. That possibility exists, of course, and you have stated the obvious simply and succinctly and, considering the "rubber chicken" comment, perhaps a bit sophomoric. I have to say your comments reminded me of an opponent in a high school debate whose entire rebuttal to each of my points was to state, with deep conviction, "Not necessarily."
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. . . with a rubber chicken?
Harry D, I presume your point is that some knife-wielding killer other than JTR could have murdered Tabram. That possibility exists, of course, and you have stated the obvious simply and succinctly and, considering the "rubber chicken" comment, perhaps a bit sophomoric. I have to say your comments reminded me of an opponent in a high school debate whose entire rebuttal to each of my points was to state, with deep conviction, "Not necessarily."
John
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Originally posted by Dr. John Watson View PostThe time of attack (late night)
Originally posted by Dr. John Watson View Postthe open and public murder site (first floor landing of an occupied tenement)
Originally posted by Dr. John Watson View Postthe age and occupation of the victim (middle-aged prostitute)
Originally posted by Dr. John Watson View Posttype and location of wounds (slashing of abdomen)
use of a blade as the murder weapon (knife)
and the sheer audacity of an attacker who kills for the sake of killing (known characteristic of JTR)
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Originally posted by sdreid View PostTabram is a little over 50% here but below 50% by a more significant number in the same poll over on Forums. That's a newer poll so I wonder if that's the reason.
JohnLast edited by Dr. John Watson; 07-29-2015, 10:33 AM.
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Tabram is a little over 50% here but below 50% by a more significant number in the same poll over on Forums. That's a newer poll so I wonder if that's the reason.
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Welcome, Anemolihp! You'll soon be able to vote. I too remain on the fence about whether Martha was a victim of Jack's.
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Guest repliedI'm inclined to think his first victim is not named here.
I am however open to the suggestion of Martha Tabram. Less inclined to consider Emma Smith, but perhaps Annie Milwood.
So if I was able to vote I would choose 'another'. I have found the Tabram discussion very interesting though, and it has given me quite a bit to think about!
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Paris is like Pinchin, in that, effort was actually made to ensure that the body was found.
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Thanks for those that answered my query about how long before you are allowed to vote on the polls.
If it is 10, that makes sense, and I will hope to be able to do so soon.
I asked this because I wanted to vote for Martha Tabram too. As seems do the majority.
Hope to be more active on this site soon. You all seem so knowledgeable, whichever theory you favour, and although interested for over 40 years on these murders, I am still thinking about something original- or sensational- to add.
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