Victim Conversation (off-topic moved)

[Tom_Wescott]

Pirate is superficial. AP Wolf and Paul Begg are nice to him, and they've published books, so they're rock stars in his eyes and can do no wrong. To love AP and Paul is to hate SPE. I don't know why that is, but it seems to be the case, through no fault of SPE's. Ally and I are Americans, and Pirate hates Americans. He however most emphatically DOES NOT hate homosexuals, having from time to time found solace in their sweet, manly embrace. He's really not all that hard to figure out, except for how he can call himself a journalist when he writes and reads at the level of a first grader.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Ally]

Right AP. The authorities forced them to open their mouths and guzzle down gin til they were too drunk to support themselves. They forced them to spend their doss money on gin instead of a bed. It's all the authorities fault and these women, poor retarded females that they are, bear absolutely no responsbility for their lives or their own decisions. They were only women after all,. You can't expect anything from them.

[Ally]

So the daughter is so selfish she MOVES several times to avoid her mother? Generally people who are that selfish have no problem just saying no.

I don't know Nats, where are the facts that he had an affair? The police reports show the drunken binges.

[Cap'n Jack]

Each and every case, Ally, does show the victims of these crimes as being almost driven to slaughter by the authorities concerned, but you would have it that they were driven to their slaughter by none other than themselves.
This is pure Colin Wilson.
Shame on you.

[Natalie Severn]

Which had what to do with the fact that her daughter refused to have anything to do with her and moved around several times to avoid her mothers scrounging?


Maybe the daughter was a selfish little ****, Ally.



Might the fact that she had walked out on the family several times prior to that to go on drunken binges have had something to do with him having an affair (which by the way is something he actually denied doing and which is only an accusation made by her father and is not supported by any fact).

Whose "facts" are these? where did you obtain this information?

[Jeff Leahy]

Pirate Jack,
I would like to know what you mean by saying you are in "less esteemed company"?
Why do you have to constantly rake up some kind of "pecking order"?
Its so uncool that kind of crap hierarchy talk all the time.

Well I certainly wasnt refering to you NAT

I was refering to John Bennett's excellent book launch E1, and its glitter'artie attendence.;..a part from me of course..

Ally I cant beleive you are now trying to make this arguement against Neal Sheldon. Anyone who has ever read his book must surely realize that it is one of the most factual and opinion free books ever written.

Incidently I had the oppotunity of meeting with Kates descendant (at length) and at no piont did she suggest that she was a BAD gt gt gt grandmother

Pirate

[Natalie Severn]

I don't know what my friend, Pirate, was referring to, but I'd reckon he didn't spend his evening with math students, because his maths is out and 2 + 2 equals something other than 4. But there's pretty much a pecking order to everything, isn't there? The great thing about scholarly persuits is you earn your place in the pecking order. I've worked hard to earn my place near the bottom, but still above the head of PJ. You don't mean to suggest that smart people should dumb themselves down to suit the lowest common denominator, do you?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

I dont think that, no.But its a bit naff to be constantly quoting rank,and stating your place in it and that of others and then placing everyone according to how you,personally and idiosyncratically "rank" people----which is the case with Pirate sometimes.........

[Ally]

Did the behaviour of Tom Conway,for example, have anything to do with Kate fleeing the domestic violence she was subjected to which could easily have resulted in an even more premature death?

Which had what to do with the fact that her daughter refused to have anything to do with her and moved around several times to avoid her mothers scrounging?

Might the behaviour of Polly"s unfaithfull husband,when she was giving birth to their fifth child, have contributed to her leaving him?

Might the fact that she had walked out on the family several times prior to that to go on drunken binges have had something to do with him having an affair (which by the way is something he actually denied doing and which is only an accusation made by her father and is not supported by any fact).

[Natalie Severn]

Wooooo Hooooooooo! You tell 'em, C.D. I guess maybe I should give Pirate Jack some credit for knowing how to pick his sparing partners, then.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

P.S. Natalie...you're a day late and a dollar short!

Yes Tom.I have had a tough day,a very tough day.But I"ve got the gist of this and thats all you need.

[Tom_Wescott]

Pirate Jack,
I would like to know what you mean by saying you are in "less esteemed company"?
Why do you have to constantly rake up some kind of "pecking order"?
Its so uncool that kind of crap hierarchy talk all the time.

I don't know what my friend, Pirate, was referring to, but I'd reckon he didn't spend his evening with math students, because his maths is out and 2 + 2 equals something other than 4. But there's pretty much a pecking order to everything, isn't there? The great thing about scholarly persuits is you earn your place in the pecking order. I've worked hard to earn my place near the bottom, but still above the head of PJ. You don't mean to suggest that smart people should dumb themselves down to suit the lowest common denominator, do you?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Natalie Severn]

"Due Probably". Boy there's facts. So it's wrong to speculate on causation if it paints them in a negative light, but it's okay to speculate on causes if it paints them in a pathetic and sympathetic light.

None of those facts are new to me and the speculation as to why they started drinking doesn't interest me. Frankly, I don't care why people do what they do. What matters is what you do. And there is no excuse on the planet good enough for abandoning your living children. And saying that because one child dies it's an excuse to ditch the living who still need you is warped.

What exactly were these menfolk doing?


Did the behaviour of Tom Conway,for example, have anything to do with Kate fleeing the domestic violence she was subjected to which could easily have resulted in an even more premature death?

Might the behaviour of Polly"s unfaithfull husband,when she was giving birth to their fifth child, have contributed to her leaving him?

[Ally]

Hi Pirate,
If an allegation against a ripper author is being made then fair enough..

Oh and one more thing to clear up. The idea that there is some scurrilous accusations being made against Neal Shelden is total balls. Neal Shelden will be the first person to tell you that he is 100 percent completely on the side of the victims and biased on their behalf. In fact, I think there is an actual post somewhere on this site where he says almost exactly that. So Leahy trying to make out like there's some evil accusation against him is total crap.

[Natalie Severn]

Pirate Jack,
I would like to know what you mean by saying you are in "less esteemed company"?
Why do you have to constantly rake up some kind of "pecking order"?
Its so uncool that kind of crap hierarchy talk all the time.

[Ally]

"Due Probably". Boy there's facts. So it's wrong to speculate on causation if it paints them in a negative light, but it's okay to speculate on causes if it paints them in a pathetic and sympathetic light.

None of those facts are new to me and the speculation as to why they started drinking doesn't interest me. Frankly, I don't care why people do what they do. What matters is what you do. And there is no excuse on the planet good enough for abandoning your living children. And saying that because one child dies it's an excuse to ditch the living who still need you is warped.

[Tom_Wescott]

Cause you da man, Tom!!!

"If you want to be the man, you got to beat the man." Woooooooo
Nature Boy Ric Flair

c.d.

Wooooo Hooooooooo! You tell 'em, C.D. I guess maybe I should give Pirate Jack some credit for knowing how to pick his sparing partners, then.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

P.S. Natalie...you're a day late and a dollar short!