where are the surviving ripper victims

[Doppelganger]

please note that my interest is new & was sparked by Patricia Cornwell`s book(which greatly dissappionted) so if the answer to this is well know & i missed it then sorry.

what is generally known about serial killers is they don`t start off killing right away they work their way up to murder ,has there ever been a study into knife attacks where the victims lived to see if it could be the work of the ripper?

[kensei]

Look into Annie Millwood and Ada Wilson, knifing victims attacked but not killed in February and March, 1888. Full details on each are to be found here on Casebook.

[Bob Hinton]

First Victims?

Look into Annie Millwood and Ada Wilson, knifing victims attacked but not killed in February and March, 1888. Full details on each are to be found here on Casebook.

I believe I might have been the first person to suggest these two as possible Ripper victims in my book 'From Hell - The Jack the Ripper Mystery'.

[George Hutchinson]

Susan Ward is a great example as well. I think she's just as likely as Annie and more likely than Ada (albeit after the main scare started).

PHILIP

[Monty]

Philip

Susan Ward wasnt a victim. Debs sterling research has shown her to have fallen on broken glass which caused the lacerations to her hands and arms. Theres a thread somewhere I think.

[Howard Brown]

Nothing monumental,but Van Onselen's theory of Silver/Lis as being Joe Isaacs( hence JTR ) includes Emma Smith as a possible victim.

This is partially based on the age of Silver and that Smith said one of her attackers was " around 19". On page 483 of Van Onselen's massive work, one finds out that indeed Silver had just turned 20.

One of the funny things I find about how witnesses describe their assailants...as well as other individuals...is this "specificness" to the individual in questions age. "19" rather than 20. "Around 23 or 24" rather than 25.

Could Smith have possibly known of Silver's age? Impossible to determine, I know...but again,there's that "around 19" as opposed to plain,old 20.

[Debra A]

Susan Ward wasnt a victim. Debs sterling research has shown her to have fallen on broken glass which caused the lacerations to her hands and arms. Theres a thread somewhere I think.

Cheers Monty!...It's going to take some filtering through isn't it?!!

Susan Ward thread is here for anyone who missed it and is in the least bit interested


Debs

[Monty]

Debs

Youre too subtle for most of us. That or you wear Harrys cloak too often. Of course, the true test would be if the A-Z pick up on it. That and the Humphreys story.

[Nicola]

Hello,all.


I have always felt that JTR got up to much mayhem before he became a murderer.


I think he might have stalked women and also did some,I lack a better term,practice runs before he got going. Most likely,there were some women he went after but they sensed he was a nutter and didn't go off with him. Or others who did but managed to fight him off. I doubt these ladies,given their profession at the time,reported it to the police. If one of them had,maybe the police might have gotten a lead on JTR before he got going.

[Ryan_Miller]

George,

I was wondering what it is that makes you feel that Susan Ward is just as likely as Annie or Ada to be a Ripper victim? I feel that she is as likely a Ripper victim as anyone else who suffered a sexual assault while prostituting themself. I very well may be wrong, and I admit I am not as well versed on the topic of Susan Ward as some others are. I just do not see her as a possible Ripper victim and would like your stance on the subject.

[Monty]

George,

I was wondering what it is that makes you feel that Susan Ward is just as likely as Annie or Ada to be a Ripper victim? I feel that she is as likely a Ripper victim as anyone else who suffered a sexual assault while prostituting themself. I very well may be wrong, and I admit I am not as well versed on the topic of Susan Ward as some others are. I just do not see her as a possible Ripper victim and would like your stance on the subject.

Ryan,

I know this is direceted at Philip however I do suggest you follow the link Debs has kindly provided for us on this thread.

Infact, I shall add it on this post.

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=793

The simple fact is that Susan Ward was not the victim of anyone other than fate. She fell on a broken bottle and cut her arms.

Willments only suggested her because she....ah, why am I going through it it all? Its explained on the thread, to which Ive added a link. Just incase youve missed it.

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=793

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=793 http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=793

...and for good luck http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=793

Monty

[Debra A]

Thanks for trying Monty!



I'll put it in me new book eh?

[Monty]

And I'll put in in mine Debs.

Monty

[George Hutchinson]

George,

I was wondering what it is that makes you feel that Susan Ward is just as likely as Annie or Ada to be a Ripper victim? I feel that she is as likely a Ripper victim as anyone else who suffered a sexual assault while prostituting themself. I very well may be wrong, and I admit I am not as well versed on the topic of Susan Ward as some others are. I just do not see her as a possible Ripper victim and would like your stance on the subject.

Ryan, it's hypothetical now so before Debra has a complete breakdown I'll give you a brief answer.

The story that Susan Ward apparently told was that she had taken a man for an immoral purpose to an unknown quiet-ish place off Commercial Street. He had then tried to trip her up and cut her throat. The attack on Annie was random stabbing (yet similar to Martha Tabram in that respect, who I believe WAS a Ripper victim) and the one on Ada just, for me, doesn't fit the MO. A basically respectable woman being woken by a knock at her own front door.

It's subjective but nearly everything in Ripperology is.

PHILIP

[Debra A]

Ryan, it's hypothetical now so before Debra has a complete breakdown I'll give you a brief answer.

The story that Susan Ward apparently told was that she had taken a man for an immoral purpose to an unknown quiet-ish place off Commercial Street. He had then tried to trip her up and cut her throat. The attack on Annie was random stabbing (yet similar to Martha Tabram in that respect, who I believe WAS a Ripper victim) and the one on Ada just, for me, doesn't fit the MO. A basically respectable woman being woken by a knock at her own front door.

It's subjective but nearly everything in Ripperology is.

PHILIP

Hi Philip,
I wasn't aware that Susan Ward told anybody anything.
The way I understand the story, and I could be wrong I admit, but Susan Ward's name was just plucked from the hospital records as the only women admitted to hospital with arm wounds, following the story of an attack on an unknown woman in the press.
Rob gives a very good description of the mix up on the highlighted thread I think.