What's the compelling feature?

[c.d.]

To answer Jons earlier comments...I think since we already know that this man mutilates in plain sight of anyone at either end of the street in Buck Row, and also in Mitre where he only has minutes in between police passes...If Jack cut Liz Jack would have at the minimum started mutilations before Diemshutz is heard coming. Jack deciding against mutilating her is about as likely as her being killed by Jack in the first place.

Schwartz....he describes what to me sounds like a failed pickup by Broadshouldered Man, due to Liz pulling back when he grabs her and tries to take her into the street. At the point of her fall, she might be annoyed, but not necessarily fearful. That might explain the casual aspect of the cashous being found in her hand..

Schwartz leaves...Pipeman follows....Who is left at the scene at approximately 12:46am? Only two people were known to be there...and neither is Jack. If you want Jack for this murder...you better make a case for him hiding in the yard without being seen by anyone, and leaping on Liz after Broadshouldered Man leaves.

Cause he is not Liz, and he almost certainly is not Broadshouldered Man.

Two lone people, just outside the yard, one is killed in minutes...now c'mon folks, the answer aint that hard.

Cheers.

uhhh....I think that is called "leading the witness."

c.d.

[perrymason]

uhhh....I think that is called "leading the witness."

c.d.

Hi cd....I prefer to think of it as granting the Ripper believers an out. A man hidden would be that out. Because of the 2 known people at the location after 12:46, 1 is not likely Jack...and one is most certainly not.

Its been my experience here that you should know where your going before suggesting something...and Broadshouldered Man is a difficult sell as Jack.

So...if you want Jack...I think its in your own best interest to consider hiding places in the yard.

Hope the knee is feeling better.

Cheers.

[c.d.]

Hi Michael,

Let me make a point here that we all need to keep in mind and I include myself in this as well --- Either Jack killed Liz or he did not. Our arguments on these boards can not go back and change what took place. I think this obvious fact gets lost sometimes and again I include myself in that.

As to your post, keep in mind that Chief Inspector Donald Swanson (if memory serves me) had no problem considering someone other than the BS man as Liz's killer. Now that's not too shabby.

And if the evidence was so overwhelming on either side, we wouldn't be having this argument.

c.d.

P.S. Thanks for asking about the knee. It is coming around albeit slowly. Still going to therapy. Just a matter of time and patience. Did manage to get out for a nice little hike though yesterday.

[Tom_Wescott]

What's the most compelling numpty feature?

P.S. Thanks for asking about the knee. It is coming around albeit slowly. Still going to therapy. Just a matter of time and patience. Did manage to get out for a nice little hike though yesterday.

Perry must have taken the needle out of the voodoo doll's knee!

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[c.d.]

Perry must have taken the needle out of the voodoo doll's knee!

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Hi Tom,

Nah, it ain't the knee where Michael pains me most.

Just kidding, Michael my man.

c.d.

[Roy Corduroy]

Numpty

Tom,

I heard of Humpty heard of Dumpty, but not Numpty.

Inside joke maybe?

Roy

[Tom_Wescott]

Roy,

No, it's a British thing that I learned on these boards. They say the craziest sh*t. They call each other numpty features as some sort of insult. Only the British could work the word 'features' into an insult!

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[c.d.]

Roy,

No, it's a British thing that I learned on these boards. They say the craziest sh*t. They call each other numpty features as some sort of insult. Only the British could work the word 'features' into an insult!

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

I've always wondered if you go to a sporting event in England, do the vendors yell out "get your room temperature beer here?"

c.d.

[Tom_Wescott]

They stole the name 'football' from us and put it on soccer, so I wouldn't put anything past those blokes. And to make matters worse, they call it 'footie'! Tally-ho, pip-pip, and all that rot.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Roy Corduroy]

Numpty Features

Oh, OK. Thanks, Tom. Take this dude, he would have such features?

[c.d.]

They stole the name 'football' from us and put it on soccer, so I wouldn't put anything past those blokes. And to make matters worse, they call it 'footie'! Tally-ho, pip-pip, and all that rot.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

Yes, but on the plus side, English women have extremely sexy accents.

c.d.

[Tom_Wescott]

I used to think that, but there's a lot of parts of England (or even London) where the people have atrocious accents.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[FrankO]

Hi Gareth,

Hi Ben,...witness to what, though? Squabbling with a woman and dumping her on the floor? Hardly enough to send him to the gallows, or even to incur a prison sentence of any duration.

Good point indeed.

If BS was her killer (and I have very little reason to doubt it), it's almost as if he wanted her dead.

It does seem that he saw to it that Schwartz and Mr PM left because he hadn't finished with Stride yet, but that unfinished business certainly needn't have been murder.

If that weren't the case, he could easily have left her alive and walked away, fearing little more than a proverbial rap on the knuckles if she later identified him.

Unless he didn't want her dead from the outset, but only killed her on the spur of the moment, shortly after the 2 men had left the scene. Then he wouldn't have cared about those 2 men as long as they left the scene and wouldn't have given them a second thought the moment he run his knife along her throat in freshy exploded anger.

All the best,
Frank

[perrymason]

To address something you said cd about whose contemporary opinion we should be listening to regarding the likelihood of a"Jack" designation for any or all Canon victims, Im not sure that it was within their best interest to acknowledge that there were more than one knife wielding nuts running around even if they knew it or suspected it. And its clear there were...at that same time. At least 5 non-Canonicals say so.

They were not trusted by the locals, thanks to Warren and Bloody Sunday for one, and the more unrelated unsolved murders they have, the more they start to look like crooked Keystone Cops to the residents of the East End. Having one stealthy man that kills women at night and leaves no traces, is far better politically than perhaps 3 or more men doing it....and the police could find nothing in terms of clues for any of them.

Isnt it odd that no-one in the press back then asked what about the women who weren't Canonicals...who killed them....or how about those Torso's...who killed those ladies? How many crazies are running around the East End at the same time and killing at will...leaving Police with nothing to go on but mounting pressures for answers, and the knowledge that the right spark at that time could burn down the "Order" in East London.

People expect killers to be caught. When they arent, and people don't trust the law anyway, rumors of intentional neglect or inept handling of the cases turn into Marches on Police Stations. Review the Squibby story. Or Pizers. The Police barely could hold people at bay...but for how long. The GSG erasure decision is somewhat more understandable in this context.

So if there is any chance they all were one man, by George thats the ticket....then they dont have to appear corrupt or ineffective for the lack of results, ...the mans clearly a spectre or ghoul...and who could fault anyone for not catching a ghoul who appears and disappears like magic?

It appears they are only seeking one man for killings in the East End at that time. When we can see, we know,...there were others.

Best regards

[FrankO]

Hi Ben,

At the very least, an identification from a witness (who he could easily have disposed of) would have out paid to ripping activities for the forseeable future, something he wouldn't have wished for.

If he was afraid that his ripping future was in danger, than why kill at all if this particular 'project' presented a number of difficulties from the start? Certainly in view of the fact that he hadn't done anything more seriously than roughing up a woman a bit, like Gareth says, that doesn't make much sense. Kill one witness so that his ripping days wouldn't be over, but letting two others walk away?? That doesn't really make a lot of sense at all, if you ask me.

All the best,
Frank