Stride Bruising

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo C4!

To be oppositional for it's sake, apparently ONLY Schwartz's wife could have corroborated his story as no one else saw him. And she would of had cause to be bias. Like I said, I'm not willing to throw his account to the wind, nor shall I accept it blindly. Maybe Schwartz murdered Stride for all we know. If he was even there that is. Ooo, Death Telepathy. Apologies, sounds cool currently.

[curious4]

Valid reason

His statement said that BSM threw her on the pavement. That could account for the lack of mud. I'm personally becoming more skeptical of Schwartz. But I'm not willing to disregard him yet. More data is needed. He provides a reasonable enough explanation. It's just not quite enough to take it as gospel. Your point being one of many to consider.

Hello DLDWatson,

Schwarz did have a perfectly valid reason for being on Berner street that night. He wanted to check if his wife had managed to move from Berner street to Backchurch lane. Presumably the police would have checked to see if this was true.

Best wishes,
C4

[Errata]

I vaguely recall you mentioning this before.

Ok, is this the exchange you might have in mind?

"The Foreman: Did you notice any marks or bruises about the shoulders? - They were what we call pressure marks. At first they were very obscure, but subsequently they became very evident. They were not what are ordinarily called bruises; neither is there any abrasion. Each shoulder was about equally marked."

Not what are ordinarily called bruises?

I'm thinking of two phenomena that often happen at the same time. The first being pressure marks, like the marks a bra or the waistband of underwear can leave behind. The second being the grayish blue staining that comes from wet black material clinging to skin.

[Wickerman]

Am I really the only one who doesn't think the marks on Liz Stride were bruises?

I vaguely recall you mentioning this before.

Ok, is this the exchange you might have in mind?

"The Foreman: Did you notice any marks or bruises about the shoulders? - They were what we call pressure marks. At first they were very obscure, but subsequently they became very evident. They were not what are ordinarily called bruises; neither is there any abrasion. Each shoulder was about equally marked."

Not what are ordinarily called bruises?

[lynn cates]

rain

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"Well if it was the pavement then it may have simply not been wet."

Of course, it had rained there only about an hour before.

"Also, I enjoyed your demonstration. Great moustache! Interesting scenario too!"

Thank you.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

peri-mortem

Hello Errata.

"Am I really the only one who doesn't think the marks on Liz Stride were bruises?"

You mean the shoulders? They seem congruent with peri-mortem bruising. Of course, the doctors weren't entirely certain that they were relevant to her demise.

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

One version has "footpath" if I recall properly.

"That could account for the lack of mud."

perhaps. But what of the wetness?

Cheers.
LC[/QUOTE]

Well if it was the pavement then it may have simply not been wet. Which would indicate a two staged assault or two seperate incidents. Also, I enjoyed your demonstration. Great moustache! Interesting scenario too!

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Errata!

Am I really the only one who doesn't think the marks on Liz Stride were bruises?

I should imagine not. I'm not convinced one way or the other presently, but there is merit to the exercise I do believe. Nice to see others from TN here, by the by.

[Errata]

Am I really the only one who doesn't think the marks on Liz Stride were bruises?

[lynn cates]

empirical details

Hello Colin.

"Why would her killer knot the scarf? Use it, yes, but knot it?
It's just idle speculation but, in view of what was happening to local women late at night, did Liz Stride perhaps knot her own scarf tight in the (misguided) belief that the knot would protect her throat from attack?"

If you take a scarf with a slip knot, and pull on one tail, the radius will decrease, thus tightening it. If pulled by a left hand around the shoulder (as in my re-enactment), the knot will migrate left. (This was also demonstrated in my re-enactment.)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

gently Bentley

Hello Greg. Thanks.

"I’ve got a brilliant idea Lynn, she was thrown on her left side..!"

Ah! And gently thrown, too. (And why not? If we can have non-loud screams, why not gentle throws?)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

skeptical

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"His statement said that BSM threw her on the pavement."

One version has "footpath" if I recall properly.

"That could account for the lack of mud."

perhaps. But what of the wetness?

"I'm personally becoming more skeptical of Schwartz. But I'm not willing to disregard him yet."

Nor yet I. He may be truthful after all.

"More data is needed. He provides a reasonable enough explanation. It's just not quite enough to take it as gospel. Your point being one of many to consider."

Indeed.

Cheers.
LC

[Cogidubnus]

Muddying the pool

Possibly being thrown down on "the footway" she got a limited amount of dirt on both sides of her clothing, and subsequently in the semi-surfaced Dutfields Yard got her left side more liberally plastered?

Note I'm not predicating one attack or two...it could have been two phases of the same incident...

All the best

Dave

[Wickerman]

I’ve got a brilliant idea Lynn, she was thrown on her left side..!

So how'd she get mud on her right side too?

"Examining her jacket I found that although there was a slight amount of mud on the right side, the left was well plastered with mud."

Transfer?, or is there another twist in the method?

[Bridewell]

But surely "scarf knotted tightly" and "scarf pulled tight" would imply choking?

Why would her killer knot the scarf? Use it, yes, but knot it?
It's just idle speculation but, in view of what was happening to local women late at night, did Liz Stride perhaps knot her own scarf tight in the (misguided) belief that the knot would protect her throat from attack?