Stride Bruising

[lynn cates]

cachous

Hello Mike.

"I believe the bruises on Liz Stride were the result of her having her back to wall she dies near while a thug poked her in the chest, likely giving her a threat or a piece of his mind."

And she was holding the cachous at the time?

Cheers.
LC

[DVV]

Hi DRoy,

well, perhaps I'm mad and stupid, in which case SPE, Warren, etc, are equally mad and stupid.
Is Warren the kind of man to write in an official report that Schwartz gave evidence at the inquest, if Schwartz did not ?
Once again, remember Lawende and his (non) description of the suspect at the Eddowes inquest.

It went like this. That is all, my friend.

T'ena !

[DRoy]

Dave,

Does Baxter seem the type of fella to not have evidence used in an inquest? Really? The inquest was almost a month long and 5 inquest sessions. To put all that time and effort into something where they could have very easily arrived at a cause of death decision without Schwartz's testimony just doesn't make sense.

Cheers
DRoy

[DVV]

Personal notations are worth very little without any substance David, just look at Macnaughtens "suspect" list if you doubt that at all.

Michael, we're talking about a report addressed by Warren to the Home Office, not pencil notes found décades after by a pom-pom girl.

Santé !

[Michael W Richards]

Jon, I would say it's a fact (that Schwartz gave his evidence, but not in public).
Sometimes, unusual things do happen. That was also the case with Lawende and the description of Sailor Man.
Not usual. But that was the police choice. And the Coroner agreed.

Tchin-tchin

And it was announced at the same proceedings.

Cheers my friend

[Michael W Richards]

Hi Michael,

you rather have to prove that Warren was drunk on 6 November.

Cheers !

Personal notations are worth very little without any substance David, just look at Macnaughtens "suspect" list if you doubt that at all.

What you suggest David is that the police conspired to suppress Israel Schwartz's appearance at the Inquest with all the press organizations, with all the attending spectators and participants, and without ever formally recording the nature of the secretive investigation they were conducting based on Israel's story.

When Im suggesting that a notation doesnt mean that Israel was there. As it seems is the case based on every published transcript record.

Whose suggestion smack of conspiracy and theatrics..and whose is based solely on the recorded activities? Im usually the one accused of that.

All the best David

[DVV]

Jon, I would say it's a fact (that Schwartz gave his evidence, but not in public).
Sometimes, unusual things do happen. That was also the case with Lawende and the description of Sailor Man.
Not usual. But that was the police choice. And the Coroner agreed.

Tchin-tchin

[Wickerman]

Hi Jon,

you can ask, but the only answer is that the Coroner and the Police decided to do like this.

Slainte

Hi Dave.

We are reminded that the Coroner's Inquest is performed in order to establish the, Who, the When, the Where, & by what means of her death.
Wouldn't you say that Schwartz's claims of seeing BSman assault Stride had a direct impact on the Coroner's ability to determine the 'when' & 'where' of her death?

[DVV]

Point here being that the entry referring to the appearance is only as valid as can be proven so....and it cant, to my knowledge.

Cheers

Hi Michael,

you rather have to prove that Warren was drunk on 6 November.

Cheers !

[DRoy]

Dave & C4,

Jon is right. What would be the benefit of having Schwartz testify in camera? There isn't one.

Notice the dates of these reports. November which is almost two weeks after the inquest. They begin with Anderson's report which is obviously wrong and it gets passed down from there. Obviously they didn't attend the inquest so it would be easy to make this mistake.

Just to be clear, Lawende didn't give a description of the suspect, that's it. He testified but the description was kept out. Schwartz didn't even have a description. So again, why sequester his testimony?

Cheers
DRoy

[Michael W Richards]

ps.....I believe the bruises on Liz Stride were the result of her having her back to wall she dies near while a thug poked her in the chest, likely giving her a threat or a piece of his mind.

Cheers again.

[Michael W Richards]

Hi all,

The reference to an alleged appearance at the Inquest constitutes nothing without a substantiating source, like the recording of such an appearance in any published transcripts from the Inquest. There are also reports that at least 2 senior officers believed his account...which amounts to little more than their opinions on the matter.

There is a witness for 12:45 provided at the Inquest....and there is almost a day given to questioning a woman on the stand who claimed the deceased was her sister....while the police already had identified her as Liz Stride. The first witness to appear did not know the deceased and claimed to have left almost 1/2 hour before the earliest time she is cut...this was an odd Inquest to be sure.

Point here being that the entry referring to the appearance is only as valid as can be proven so....and it cant, to my knowledge.

Cheers

[DVV]

Hi Jon,

you can ask, but the only answer is that the Coroner and the Police decided to do like this.

Slainte

[Wickerman]

Hello Wickerman,

Found this in my Scotland Yard Investigates:

"Schwarz probably did not appear at the inquest because he spoke hardly any English and required an interpreter. The coroner had the authority to accept written statements in lieu of a witness actually appearing."

This could be another explanation.

Best wishes,
Gwyneth

Indeed, but then we have to ask why is there no mention of the incident in the Coroner's summary?

[DVV]

Yes, Gwyneth, that is also an explanation.
Plus, the police didn't want Lawende & Schwartz to talk too much (publicly).
They thought BSM and Sailor Man were one and the same, and imo they were right.
I'm ashamed to be so classical and conservative.

Cheers