A Modern Day BS Man/Liz Encounter

[c.d.]

Hello CD. But a locked club surely did not provide much shelter?

Supposing Liz were running from BS man and tried to get in but could not. Why stop and loiter? Why not run into the dark yard and hide?

Cheers.
LC

Pound on the door and yell for help. Besides, Liz might not have known that the club was locked.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

no time, luv

Hello Ruby.

"Because either BSM, or Jtr or both robbed her of her money ? -with not robbery as their motive..but because they were poor, and they could."

And so, right AFTER being robbed, she shared a cachous as a sign of good will?

But perhaps the robbery was post mortem? So, there was time for rifling pockets for a few pence but no time for mutilation which, according to many ripperologists, was the main motivation?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

puddle

Hello Ruby.

"Maybe the usual thing for poor customers wasn't penetration . . ."

Right, but the alternative was not quite your suggestion. Care to guess what it was?

". . . but fellatio . . . and 'swallowing' was not part of the deal ?"

Clever. But surely as often as you imagine this to have happened it went somewhere? So why no puddle behind the gate?

But supposed she swallowed? Ah, but her stomach contents were carefully examined.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

it's locked

Hello CD. But a locked club surely did not provide much shelter?

Supposing Liz were running from BS man and tried to get in but could not. Why stop and loiter? Why not run into the dark yard and hide?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

stop thief

Hello Phil.

"Again, out of curiosity, if Stride did have a "heavy schedule", especially if any were after the closing of the pub, then she would have some money on her, no?"

I totally agree. But then there's the argument that she was robbed.

Cheers.
LC

[Rubyretro]

At least she would have these options if she was in close proximity to the club.

If she didn't feel in fear of her life, then the very last thing that she wanted was to avert the attention of the club to 'trouble' revolving around her...she wanted to be able to continue to use the yard for soliciting in future.

[Rubyretro]

Again, out of curiosity, if Stride did have a "heavy schedule", especially if any were after the closing of the pub, then she would have some money on her, no? After all, you cannot "drink away" the money when the source of the drink is not available, i.e. the pubs are closed..

Because either BSM, or Jtr or both robbed her of her money ? -with not robbery as their motive..but because they were poor, and they could.

[Rubyretro]

Just of of curiosity, with all those clients, why did none leave a trace of seminal fluid? Don't forget that the doctors checked for such things.

Maybe the usual thing for poor customers wasn't penetration but fellatio (hence the cachous), and 'swallowing' was not part of the deal ?

[c.d.]

Hello CD. What kind of shelter would the yard provide?

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn,

The yard? None. I was referring to the club and the men inside. If she felt truly threatened she could yell for help or try to get inside. At least she would have these options if she was in close proximity to the club.

c.d.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Lynn,

Again, out of curiosity, if Stride did have a "heavy schedule", especially if any were after the closing of the pub, then she would have some money on her, no? After all, you cannot "drink away" the money when the source of the drink is not available, i.e. the pubs are closed..

best wishes

Phil

[lynn cates]

seedy charcater

Hello Ruby. Your take on Liz is that she had a heavy schedule that night.

Just of of curiosity, with all those clients, why did none leave a trace of seminal fluid? Don't forget that the doctors checked for such things.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

shelter

Hello CD. What kind of shelter would the yard provide?

Cheers.
LC

[Rubyretro]

C.D. people have pointed out to me that the pub was closed by then -but of course she was probably WAS soliciting in the pub earlier (the proximity of Dutfields yard, made a handy dark spot to pop out to with her clients);

When the pub closed and she'd finished the 'stragglers' she probably just hung about for 'the second shift' of club members.

Hard to imagine that BSM and Pipe would hang about outside for so long after closing -I think that they turned up later.

[c.d.]

Does anyone know how far the closest pub was from the club? If it was relatively close, I am wondering if Liz might have been soliciting outside of it. A drunken BS man emerges and he and Liz have some type of disagreement. Liz is concerned for her safety so she starts moving in the direction of the club thinking it would be a refuge of sorts. The BS man follows and we have what Schwartz said took place. The BS man then moves on after a few choice words. If Jack was a witness to this, I am wondering if the display of violence could have excited him so that he approaches Liz?

Just a possible scenario but it would explain why Liz was standing outside of a club that some claim was a poor choice for soliciting. She wasn't there soliciting, she was seeking shelter.

c.d.

[mariab]

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