Exploding Some Double Event Myths

[Hunter]

Hi Tom,

West Tennessee.
Seems like the thread has been taking care of itself.

[Monty]

Hasnt changed my view.

I dont think Stride was murdered by the same killer who killed Eddowes. Im not desputing it couldnt happen, just the evidence in the case of Eddowes/Stride doesnt support they were killed by the same man.

Tom enters stage left.

And, for the record...I cant removed Stride from the series with certainty.

Monty

[Jeff Leahy]

Hi Caz

This is a case I know fairly well having filmed the reconstructions for a documentary on the subject. And there are indeed many strange facts surrounding it.

Dixie was doing a large amount of drugs at the time, I believe cocane, and had mixed with alcohol. He had been out partying with a group of friends. They returned to a house. They left Dixie asleep on a coach and went to bed.

Dixie appears not to have slept but walked some distance, over a mile to the two attacks. Returned in time so that no one noticed he had gone out giving him a good alibi. He had no history of previous attacks (although he may be linked to attacks in Australia some years earlier) He had an obsession with blondes if I remember correctly but there was no previous to link him to such attacks. He worked as a chef in a pub and had a girlfriend.

The attacks were random and fairly spontaneous. And yes Sally Anne’s ex-boyfriend, who had just dropped her off home, came under suspicion by the police. Dixie was only caught when he was involved in a fight in a bar about football and police took a random DNA sample.

But yes your point is interesting, he was on the prowl that night missed his first attack and went for a second.

Pirate

[caz]

Hasnt changed my view.

I dont think Stride was murdered by the same killer who killed Eddowes. Im not desputing it couldnt happen, just the evidence in the case of Eddowes/Stride doesnt support they were killed by the same man.

Tom enters stage left.

And, for the record...I cant removed Stride from the series with certainty.

Monty

Hi Monty,

As I tried to explain, if you're basing your view purely on the evidence from both crime scenes, and you have no need to bolster it with any personal speculation about what the killer of Eddowes would or would not have done if walking down Berner St and encountering Liz there, then this thread is not really aimed at you.

It's aimed at those who have expressed fixed ideas about serial offender behaviour and the double event phenomenon, which fail to take any account of (head) cases like Dixie.

Love,

Caz
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[kensei]

You know,after 40 years on-and-off interest,I must be really sad...I still believe in the double event,I still believe in the canonical five(maybe plus 1),I still see no reason why SOME of the communications can't be authentic...And I've never suspected Hutchinson......Obviously I'm missing something..........

Thank you Steve S, I agree with every single word you say in this post. I've walked from the Berner Street site (today Henriques Street) to Mite Square at a brisk walk as I imagined Jack doing it, and it took me 14 minutes.
You know, even if Liz was killed by a different man, then it's interesting how he shared with Kate's killer the same ninja-like stealth in not getting caught that night.

And personally, I fail to see what Double Event "myths" are being "exploded" here.

[Mike Covell]

Some background info on the Bowman case,
Sally Anne Bowman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sally_Anne_Bowman

[caz]

Dixie was doing a large amount of drugs at the time, I believe cocane, and had mixed with alcohol. He had been out partying with a group of friends. They returned to a house. They left Dixie asleep on a coach and went to bed.

Hi Jeff,

Witnesses said two lines of cocaine and several pints of beer to their knowledge (1), while he was out celebrating his 35th birthday with two female friends at the Windsor Castle pub. During the evening he spoke on the phone with his (then) current girlfriend, who refused to come out and celebrate with him. This put him in a bad frame of mind according to witnesses. Around 2am he went back with the two female friends to their place and they put him up on their sofa.

At some point after 2.30 he must have left the house armed with a knife and carried out the two attacks, the first in Sanderstead Rd at around 3.30. They think this woman was hit over the head with the blunt handle of the knife (2). She told the police that she was sure he would kill her if she lost consciousness, but she managed to stay conscious until a passing taxi disturbed Dixie in mid-attack (3). She ran in front of the taxi, making the driver stop and help her.

Meanwhile Dixie had run off towards Blenheim Crescent, 400 yards away, where he found Sally Anne (4) and her "on-off" boyfriend in his car having words. They were currently "off" but he was evidently unhappy about her going on girlie nights out in Croydon without him. They had been rowing there since about 2.30 and it was nearly 4.15 when she had finally had enough and got out of the car. There was a final altercation involving some sort of physical grappling before they parted on bad terms and he drove off, leaving the coast clear for Dixie to move in on his target almost immediately (5).

She probably never knew a thing. He stabbed her so hard that the blade went right through her body and out the other side. She had several stab wounds, any of which could have proved fatal. He left her bleeding while he hid in the darkness, listening out for approaching taxis or stirring residents. When no lights went on and all was silent (6), he was able to return to perform all manner of indignities on her body, sexually assaulting her after death with pints of blood around her.

He took away her bag, her phone and her underwear, went back to his friends' place and got up later as if nothing had happened. They assumed he'd been on the sofa all the time and didn't suspect a thing. No murder weapon was found but the police assumed he'd taken a knife from the kitchen which he had cleaned and replaced afterwards.

He had no history of previous attacks (although he may be linked to attacks in Australia some years earlier) He had an obsession with blondes if I remember correctly but there was no previous to link him to such attacks.

Well they did already have his DNA on file from an unsolved sexual assault at a nearby phone box four years previously - they just didn't have a name to go with it until after the pub fight some time later. And he was positively linked to a case of indoor rape and attempted murder in Australia. Once they had his name they found he had other previous - a string of indecent exposures and suchlike dating back to his teenage years.

Immediately after killing Sally Anne, Dixie fled to Amsterdam's red light area, returning to the UK when his freeloading ways had pissed off enough people. He wasn't in the area of Sally's murder when local men's DNA samples were being taken for elimination purposes.

When the police finally caught up with him they found a videotape at his place suggesting that he had been sexually aroused by the news coverage of Sally Anne's murder (7). In court he denied murdering her and told a ridiculous, detached-from-reality lie about stumbling across what he took to be a woman lying there drunk and taking the opportunity to have sex with her, only to realise she was dead when he had nearly finished.

Dixie was a father of three who had split with his partner by the time he was arrested (8).

Myths that ought to have been exploded by Dixie's case:

(1) If BS man was intoxicated he wasn't the ripper. The ripper couldn't/wouldn't have done what he did after drinking.

(2) The ripper's method of attack would have been consistent from one victim to another.

(3) The pony and cart could not have caught the ripper unawares in mid-attack. He'd have heard them coming in good time to abort his plans, or he'd have carried them out and left before they were near enough to be heard.

(4) The ripper would have needed a longer cooling off period if he killed Liz. He'd have gone straight home and not risked killing again so close in time and space to the hunt for Liz's assailant.

(5) It would have been too unlikely for a Whitechapel prostitute outside a busy club on a Saturday night to be involved in a physical ding-dong with two different men within minutes. BS therefore killed her after starting a jealous argument with his "on-off" lover. No chance of BS man taking himself off and the ripper taking unfair advantage given the tight timeframe. (Tell that one to Sally's ex. He left her almost at her own front door in a deserted residential street at 4.15 in the morning, only for a far more dangerous male specimen to take over.)

(6) If the ripper was interrupted/spooked in Dutfield's Yard it had to be the instant he had cut Liz's throat and was about to lay her on the ground. A second later and he'd have begun the mutilation process, with no second thoughts about the risky surroundings or his chances of getting very far with it. No pause to reassess the dangers (even after a close shave in the backyard of Hanbury), no judging it unsafe to stay, and no being forced further into the yard to lurk out of sight at the back until the man with the pony had gone inside, allowing him to slip back out onto Berner.

(7) The Dear Boss and Saucy Jacky author got it wrong because the ripper was not the sort to exploit the news coverage and definitely not the 'double event' sort.

(8) If BS man killed Liz there was a domestic motive, while Jack would have been a loner, without friends or relationships.

Love,

Caz
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[caz]

And personally, I fail to see what Double Event "myths" are being "exploded" here.

Do you see some now, kensei? I'm only just getting into my stride. Give me a chance.

Now I'm waiting for some input from the posters who have long been trotting out myths like the ones I just listed. They have been strangely quiet since I began the thread. The support from everyone here so far is nice but a wee bit disconcerting.

Love,

Caz
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