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  • #16
    Hi All,

    I'm not sure why it's assumed that if Liz had been soliciting that night she wouldn't have turned an eager customer down for any reason. Why on earth not? If there is a chance that she wasn't soliciting, it would have been by choice, and she would have turned down all offers.

    Without introducing any speculation at all, she was a known prostitute who was past whatever prime she had ever enjoyed and was hardly well off. But she didn't appear to be tired of life either, so I doubt she'd have gone off alone with just anyone, especially if they appeared too pushy, too nice, not nice enough, too mean or too broke, or in any way "not quite right". Even before the scare, I imagine that women in her circumstances would have had occasion to say "No" when their instincts told them someone wasn't worth the trouble.

    If Liz had any sense at all she would have been inwardly vetting every man who chatted her up that night. Maybe she ended up outside the club because she knew it would be particularly busy and she felt safe there, after earlier turning down a man who was "not quite right". Maybe she found that Jewish men in general treated her relatively well when using her services.

    Whoever killed her could so easily have assumed she was actively soliciting there, whether she was or not, and a denial would not have sounded too convincing in the circumstances. Turning a Gentile down outside a club full of Jews would have been one thing; turning down a Gentile with his blood up and a knife sharpened for action would have been quite another. So it all fits a bit too well for me not to consider the ripper as the prime suspect for this crime. Who else fits nearly as well and what is the evidence against him?

    Love,

    Caz
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    • #17
      stable

      Hello Caz. My preferred scenario for Liz being a Ripper victim is to have Liz pacing near the side door. Jack would be waiting in the much darker area of the stable. Then, as Liz heads toward the gates, Jack comes from behind and strikes quickly.

      Do you think this might work?

      Cheers.
      LC

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      • #18
        On the subject of 'working with the Jews' I remember my mother saying that she and my gran made up fires for Jewish families on Friday nights, and again on Saturday as it was against thier religion to do so. It made some pin money and was easy work, so was fairly common. Could Liz have been waiting to get paid, and made some effort to appear respectable in order to get more of the same employment. Just a thought. I dont know on which day of the week Liz was killed, can anyone help?

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        • #19
          never on a Sunday

          Hello Eastender. I believe it was early Sunday morning.

          At the club to collect her wages? There's food for thought.

          Thanks!

          LC

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          • #20
            Hello LC,
            If she was there early Sunday morning this would fit in, as they were only paid after sundown on the Sabbath(Saturday). If so she must have known her employer would be at the club and was trying to catch him/her perhaps. Its an interesting thought.

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            • #21
              hunch

              Hello Eastender. It is immensely interesting.

              Any hunches about her assailant? Perhaps a club member?

              LC

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              • #22
                Hi LC, for what its worth I dont see it being a club member, not on their own doorstep, for me it has to be a local with some reason to be in the very near area. Was the yard used for any other purpose during the day, what went on around the club at night? Id be looking for someone very physically close to be the assailant.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                  Hello Sam. But wouldn't her being employed by one of the members help explain what she was doing there?
                  Like I said, Lynn, I wouldn't go that far. Remember that there were a large number of Jews living in that neighbourhood, and by no means all (not even most) of them were IWEC members.
                  If she were turning tricks, she chose a very poor place to do it.
                  100% agree with you there.
                  Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                  "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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