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[Jeff Leahy]

See what her answer is, Jeff, and then add on another 5 or 6 inches to allow for the handle

Thats not playing fair. How can anyone guess the size of the handle?

A small blade 4'', average 6'' long 10''....

Any more trouble and I will take up the debate with Mrs Guy

Pirate

[Aristocles]

Well said, Archaic.

I’ve just had a quick flick through the episode and can see NO glaring errors.

The Wizard of OZ seems in fine fetter, Totto’s smooth welsh melody is as sexy as ever, and even the wicked witch of the west seems coherent and making sense.

Hi John, I’m not convinced 6” can be described as long? But I’ll check with my partner.

However there is NO proof that Stride was killed with a different knife from Eddow’s. It is a myth that has been well told in recent times.

Pirate

Then you are either deaf or consider opinion that does not jibe with what we have for evidence as not 'glaring'. Indeed possible, when one employs such weasel words. However, I heard a discussion on there concerning the treatment of women in the East End that was blatantly misinformed, as well as the overt talk of a dull knife. Your hearing impairment notwithstanding, they are both facts. That said, I am not interested in your digs at "Tom Wescott". If you wish to reply directly tis fine. But if you want to continue this sniping and puerile humor then start a thread of your own.

Jay Gibon

[Jeff Leahy]

Then you are either deaf or consider opinion that does not jibe with what we have for evidence as not 'glaring'. Indeed possible, when one employs such weasel words. However, I heard a discussion on there concerning the treatment of women in the East End that was blatantly misinformed, as well as the overt talk of a dull knife. Your hearing impairment notwithstanding, they are both facts. That said, I am not interested in your digs at "Tom Wescott". If you wish to reply directly tis fine. But if you want to continue this sniping and puerile humor then start a thread of your own.

Jay Gibon

Then I suggest you quote specific’s rather than generality, especially given that the people you are discussing are, on the whole, pretty well informed on such matters. Not certain what your qualifications are, but if they come from the same source as Wescott’s you’ll require more than a hearing aid..

What are the points you disagree with…who made them… and where are they exactly?

Pirate

PS the rounded knife is a myth and related to a knife found at the time not connected to the Stride murder. Something on which Tom and I at least are agreed.

[Tom_Wescott]

Pirate,

Why do you insist on bringing Paul Begg's name up all the time? You're doing him no favors. Of course, Paul would not say something so sophomoric as the knife that killed Stride was dull. He's published a lot on the case, so we already know his views and depth of knowledge. He's a true authority on the case and doesn't really need a PR man such as yourself.

Archaic,

I agree with you. No one is infallible and mistakes will always occur, particularly in discussions where you can't 'delete' something once it's said. That's when the responsibility falls on the MC or the editor/webmaster. The podcasts aren't celebrity interviews. They're intended to inform. Therefore, there should be a guard of some sort against misinformation. If you feel I'm being unfair, let me know. But this is the second time I've found myself battling this 'knife myth' as a result of a podcast. Make that TWO SEPARATE podcasts.

Jay,

Thanks for that.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Jeff Leahy]

Pirate,

Why do you insist on bringing Paul Begg's name up all the time?

I didn't Tom you did, by mentioning a specific podcast that features Paul and suggesting that he made a claim he did NOT.

The references to the Rounded blunt Knife (which we are both agreed is a myth) came from a podcast featuring Andrew Cook, not a podcast featuring Paul Begg...

Why do you constantly feel the need to attack him for things he has never done or said?

As for you podcast police idea, I suggest you take it up with Jonathon but I hope and trust he tells you where to get off...

Yours Pirate

[c.d.]

Even if Liz's fall was accidental or she was not pushed with great force, I think you still have to couple it with the BS man yelling Lipski with all of it's aggressive and possible violent connotation. If you were Liz, is this somebody you would go with voluntarily into a darkened yard?

c.d.

[Tom_Wescott]

I didn't Tom you did, by mentioning a specific podcast that features Paul and suggesting that he made a claim he did NOT.

The references to the Rounded blunt Knife (which we are both agreed is a myth) came from a podcast featuring Andrew Cook, not a podcast featuring Paul Begg...

You've lost your mind. I never specified a person or podcast. Paul Begg never even entered my mind. To date I've listened to exactly zero podcasts. I can't tell who you're more obsessed with - me or Paul Begg - all I can do is compliment you on your choice of people to obsess over. But I suggest you move on.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Jeff Leahy]

TW: “many of the podcast speakers are novices to the case, including some of the authors that speak on there, so no doubt one of these newbies picked this myth up and is passing it on. Kind of a pet peeve of mine.”

TW: “But that's why I mentioned some of the authors these days don't know their stuff. I personally feel that blatant factual errors such as this should be edited from the interview or there should be a spoken 'sidebard' by the interviewer before or after the interview correcting these errors. It should be no different from a book or journal article. “

A: I enjoy much and am grateful for the "Rippercasts".
Here is the one to which I refer: Reign of Terror: The Double Event

TW: I'm sure the double event one was a hoot. What did they decide; that Stride, the graffito, and everything else was a coincidence? The same groundbreaking stuff I see on these boards? Yours truly, Tom Wescott

P.S. I got your PM. So Cook wasn't the culprit.

My original statement stands.

Well Tom I’ve read back your posts, and clearly you refer to the author in “Reign of Terror: The Double Event”. And add P.S. Cook wasn’t the culprit…

which clearly implies that the author in the Double event podcast was responsible? As Paul was the only author involved in that podcast I rather drew the conclusion that you were implying that he had implied something that I’m fairly well sure he never would have said….

If you are saying Andrew Cook made a mistake that’s fair enough…but your posts imply otherwise.

Pirate

[Tom_Wescott]

By taking everything out of order and out of context, you've reached an obviously wrong conclusion. Unfortunately, this is your approach to Ripper research as well. The author I referred to was Cook. That should be quite obvious since you mentioned Cook by name and I stated he was the author I was referencing.

You're a dumbass. And by 'you', I don't mean Paul Begg, I mean Pirate Jack. You mouthbreating asshat. But I love ya like a sis and wish you the best. Muah.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Jeff Leahy]

No Tom everything is clearly in order and as you posted it…

If the author you referred to was Cook (which would have made sense) why did you reply…” So Cook wasn’t the Culprit” ??

As to my approach to Ripper research…I don’t do JtR research! (I’ll leave that to those that do and the experts…..although I have ‘hoby’ed’ out of necessity in the Stripper case)

I do something very different…I have no pretense as a researcher.

However your squirming does seem to suggest that fore once there has been a misunderstanding, it is clearly another one of your timeless ‘foot in your mouth’ creations....

I believe the punch line is “never had an accident in your life…seen thousands”

Pirate

[Tom_Wescott]

Cook was the author I referred to, numbnuts, and I said as much. But ANOTHER pod person from ANOTHER broadcast ALSO referenced the 'dull knife' used on Stride. So, there were two culprits, one of whom was the author Cook. The other was not an author. I'll leave your rattled brain to figure out the rest.

Yours truly,

Paul Begg

[Jeff Leahy]

Pirate Page one: surely the person who made this mistake was Andrew Cook and NOT one of the regular 'guest' podcasters?

Westcott: Perhaps, I personally couldn't say. But that's why I mentioned some of the authors these days don't know their stuff.

Cook was the author I referred to, numbnuts, and I said as much. But ANOTHER pod person from ANOTHER broadcast ALSO referenced the 'dull knife' used on Stride. So, there were two culprits, one of whom was the author Cook. The other was not an author. I'll leave your rattled brain to figure out the rest.

Yours truly, Paul Begg

Ok now we have a mysterious second non-author?

Clearly I didn't understand who you were referring too? Your posts are NOT clear, they refer to an 'Author'

When I asked a straight forward question about Andrew Cook you were evasive “Perhaps, I personally couldn’t say”

So a simple matter of making yourself clear..ie which author or non-author and which podcast, would have made the entire controversy much easier for everyone to understand.

Perhaps you would now like to enlighten everyone what you were actually going on about? and which comments you were actually trying to refer to..

Because as it stands you appear to be referring to an author involved in the Double Event Podcast?

I sometimes wonder if you know yourself...

Pirate

[Aristocles]

Then I suggest you quote specific’s rather than generality, especially given that the people you are discussing are, on the whole, pretty well informed on such matters. Not certain what your qualifications are, but if they come from the same source as Wescott’s you’ll require more than a hearing aid..

I have asked TWO questions. The only one to which you have made any attempt at a reply is this one:

"I have run across a few places that mention a rounded or even a dull knife. What is the genesis of this? I cannot get my mind around it based on the exegesis of Blackwell and Phillips."

Which I refined to be inclined toward the dull knife issue, after realizing that the rounded knife had nothing more to back it up than 'because one was found'...


"As for the knife, I was basing the dull notion from a "Rippercast"."

Both of these posts appeared prior to you chiming in.

As for your suggestion to quote "specifics rather than generality". Well, I posted TWO clear questions. One concerning bruising the other asking for sources of knife stories.

As for the podcast as a reference, my question concerned the sources of the story of the dull knife notion. I heard it espoused on the 'rippercast'. Now pay attention here! That is not a proper source but a purveyor of one, hopefully. I asked for SOURCES. I heard "a short, rounded, dull type of knife. . ." on the 'rippercast' and I was asking for sources. I hope that is clear.

As for discussing people, I am discussing no one. I was posing interrogatories. Two of them. You and "Tom Wescott" are discussing people. Perhaps it is reading comprehension skills that you lack.

As for discussing

What are the points you disagree with…who made them… and where are they exactly?

Pirate

PS the rounded knife is a myth and related to a knife found at the time not connected to the Stride murder. Something on which Tom and I at least are agreed.

Disagree with? I posed q-u-e-s-t-i-o-n-s with a couple of thoughts as a sort of addenda. Did you actually read the first post? I was asking for (original) sources concerning the knife story/stories and asking about the lack of mention of posterior bruising. In the case of the knife, I think I asked about the genesis of the stories.

You are neither helping nor do you intend to have an unspoken thought. It seems you feel compelled to run down other posters on this thread.

[Archaic]

new word

[QUOTE=Tom_Wescott;95595]
The podcasts aren't celebrity interviews. They're intended to inform. Therefore, there should be a guard of some sort against misinformation.


Hi, Tom.

I'm not sure if it's possible to guard other adults against misinformation in the real world.

And I honestly feel that using a word like "guard" in this context betrays a bit of a siege mentality...
which is not to say that we aren't all surrounded by ignorant and misinformed persons, because
clearly we all are.


And now I just want to thank you for teaching me a brand new word, which is quoted below... I admit that I had to Google it. Apparently it dates from only 2007; pretty new. Anyway, now I know, so thanks!

I learn all kinds of things on these forums; sometimes it's even about the Ripper.

Best regards to everybody,
Archaic


[QUOTE=Tom_Wescott;95609]
You're a dumbass. And by 'you', I don't mean Paul Begg, I mean Pirate Jack. You mouthbreating asshat.

[Aristocles]

Even if Liz's fall was accidental or she was not pushed with great force, I think you still have to couple it with the BS man yelling Lipski with all of it's aggressive and possible violent connotation. If you were Liz, is this somebody you would go with voluntarily into a darkened yard?

c.d.

Thanks for the reply. I am interested in whether or not there was bruising to the posterior of Stride. Heavy drinking generally makes one more susceptible to bruising. So, I was curious as to whether there are any reports as to it, re: Stride.

Her rear deltoids, shoulder blades, the back of her skull, elbows, buttocks, palms of her hands? I find nothing to make me aware of it but I could be missing it. If there was none then that makes me wonder about Schwartz's statement.

JG