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" ...definitely, definitely, definitely wasn't Jewish."
How does anybody read the broad shouldered man as definitely not Jewish?
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Originally posted by Mark J D View PostThe agenda, however, is the same in both cases.
M.Last edited by Mark J D; 03-09-2024, 12:05 PM.
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Originally posted by Lewis C View Post
The point is that whether or not the police and/or press version of Schwartz's statement accurately reflects Schwartz's words, nothing in either indicates that BS man didn't go into the club, other than that one would have reason to doubt that someone shouting "Lipsky" would then go into a Jewish club.
I'm not wasting time on this.
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Originally posted by Mark J D View Post
So when The Star prints that "The Hungarian states positively that he saw a knife in this second man's hand...", you're saying that they didn't just slip in a little word that their interviewee didn't say, but actually cranked it up to 11 wth a 'states positively'? And for no meaningful reason other than to give a foreign Jewish nobody an excuse for buggering off in panic as a woman was assaulted next to him? How uncharacteristically generous of yellow journalism to cut a guy so much slack!
This just won't wash. 'Schwartz' himself -- or the bilingual ventriloquist operating him -- went further and wilder with the press because he knew there'd be none of the repercussions there'd have been had he piled the horseshit that high in front of the police. The agenda, however, is the same in both cases.
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Originally posted by Mark J D View Post
So when The Star prints that "The Hungarian states positively that he saw a knife in this second man's hand...", you're saying that they didn't just slip in a little word that their interviewee didn't say, but actually cranked it up to 11 wth a 'states positively'? And for no meaningful reason other than to give a foreign Jewish nobody an excuse for buggering off in panic as a woman was assaulted next to him? How uncharacteristically generous of yellow journalism to cut a guy so much slack!
This just won't wash. 'Schwartz' himself -- or the bilingual ventriloquist operating him -- went further and wilder with the press because he knew there'd be none of the repercussions there'd have been had he piled the horseshit that high in front of the police. The agenda, however, is the same in both cases.
M.
INFORMATION WHICH MAY BE IMPORTANT was given to the Leman-street police late yesterday afternoon by an Hungarian concerning this murder.
How could it not be important if Schwartz has claimed to identify the victim at the mortuary?
The evidence we have suggests that "the man's story was retold just as he had given it to the police", is false. Blaming the Star for the discrepancies between their and the police account, is another example of fitting the facts to the theory.
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Originally posted by Lewis C View Post
There could be things in the Schwartz stories that Schwartz didn't really say. In fact, I think that probably is the case for the press version.
This just won't wash. 'Schwartz' himself -- or the bilingual ventriloquist operating him -- went further and wilder with the press because he knew there'd be none of the repercussions there'd have been had he piled the horseshit that high in front of the police. The agenda, however, is the same in both cases.
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Originally posted by Mark J D View Post
I didn't day 'Schwartz said'. I said 'both of the Schwartz stories indicate'.
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Originally posted by Lewis C View Post
Schwartz was following the man while the man was walking in the direction of the club, and doesn't say that the man didn't attempt to go in the door.
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Originally posted by Holmes' Idiot Brother View Post
That always bothered me, too. While I don't outright discount Liz Stride as a Ripper victim, a strong argument can be made that she wasn't. It's a solid 15-20 minute walk from Berner Street (Henriques Street now) to Mitre Square. Doesn't give him much time to find a candidate....UNLESS....he had a choice of the prostitutes who used to mill about the nearby church (whose name has escaped me). If so, he knew where they gathered, and since he doubled BACK eastward after Mitre Square perhaps means he deliberately made the effort to seek his next victim there. I don't believe he had an accomplice simply for the tremendous risk it would incur. They would have to be very sure of each other, indeed. Having said that, we all know JTR took incredible risks and had the Devil's own luck.
I would think that if thats the case, then midnight would have been a more likely time to set a meeting up for. Is that gesture, hand on chest, a sign that she got there as fast as she could and appreciated his waiting. If any of this has truth attached to it, then she was targeted specifically. Not acquired at random, based on the circumstances at the moment. Which is I believe was "Jack's" methodology.Last edited by Michael W Richards; 03-07-2024, 12:25 PM.
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Originally posted by Sam Flynn View PostOne of the biggest problems I have with the idea that Stride was a "decoy" for the murder of Eddowes is that there could be little guarantee that another victim would be found so soon afterwards. Indeed, that's a problem with the concept of the "Double Event" in itself, whatever the motivation.
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Originally posted by Mark J D View Post
I think not, old bean. Both of the Schwartz stories indicate that the man was walking down the street towards the club and didn't attempt to go in the door. The important thing, you see, is to prevent it seeming that BS man was anything at all to do with the club; that Stride was a significant distance up the club's passageway, or that the man with the pipe that became a knife came out of the club.
I'm sorry, but the Schwartz stories are 95% the club's self-protective hooey, minimum. My full analysis of them takes up quite a few words, and even accounts for the 'fine tuning' of the details between the police version and the Star version; but the above conveys the basic picture. What Schwartz said was actually very cleverly constructed -- but not all of it worked: the club members who produced it didn't realise they'd over-estimated the police.
Bests,
Mark D.
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Originally posted by Mark J D View Post
I think not, old bean. Both of the Schwartz stories indicate that the man was walking down the street towards the club and didn't attempt to go in the door. The important thing, you see, is to prevent it seeming that BS man was anything at all to do with the club; that Stride was a significant distance up the club's passageway, or that the man with the pipe that became a knife came out of the club.
I'm sorry, but the Schwartz stories are 95% the club's self-protective hooey, minimum. My full analysis of them takes up quite a few words, and even accounts for the 'fine tuning' of the details between the police version and the Star version; but the above conveys the basic picture. What Schwartz said was actually very cleverly constructed -- but not all of it worked: the club members who produced it didn't realise they'd over-estimated the police.
Bests,
Mark D.
Pipeman only had a knife in the press account of the story, and I'm skeptical of that version of the story too, much more than I am of the police account. But if the press account is flawed, that isn't necessarily Schwartz' fault, and I believe it probably isn't.
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Originally posted by NotBlamedForNothing View Post
Hi Lewis,
What if he wanted us to think that he probably wouldn't invent a detail that makes it appear less likely that BS man was her killer?
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