A problem with the "Eddowes Shawl" DNA match

[Archaic]

Hi Robert.

Sorry, I was trying to make the clothing and jewelry analysis very simple and "man-friendly".

I guess the gist of it is that the man identified as "Isaac Kosminski" and the woman identified as "Matilda Kosminski" are supposed to be brother and sister.

Isaac is shown with 2 adult children. He looks to be in his 40s.
The woman identified as "Matilda" might be a little older than him, perhaps more like 50 years old.

But judging by the clothing, jewelry, etc. the two photos were taken quite a few years apart, so if the man and woman are siblings there was an unusually large age gap between them.

The biggest problem is that the man identified as Isaac is in his 40s c. 1920.
This means that 32 years earlier in 1888 he was a kid. If he is 40-48 years old in the photo he was somewhere in the range of 8 years old to 16 years old in 1888.

I'm no Kosminski expert, but as far as I know Isaac Kosminski the brother of Aaron Kosminski was an adult in 1888.

The people in these photos also appear rather well-to-do. The lady in particular is dressed expensively and wearing gold, pearls and gemstone jewelry. The Kosminskis were recent immigrants. Were they well off?

Cheers,
Archaic

[Debra A]

I'm sure that it should just mean that the donor's father was born in 1893, Arch. I can't see the photograph, but I'd suggest that dating it to 1893 must be down to a clerical error. If not, then Shaw must have been a mightily precocious 12 year-old

Besides, the photograph taken in Shaw's studio of the "Kozminskis" must date well after 1910, simply judging by their clothes and the age of the (alleged) Matilda.

It must be an error, Gareth.
The Manchester archives catalogue list Neville Fraser as the 'donor' the only son of Max Freizeit. Max was born in Poland in 1893. He didn't come to England until September 1920.

[Archaic]

Hi Sam & Debs.

I agree, the 1893 date on the Shaw photo is probably a clerical error. It's too bad mistakes creep into the Archives like that.

Thanks,
Archaic

[Robert]

Hi Bunny

Yes, Isaac was well off but he looks far too young in that pic - after all, he died in 1920 and I think he was around 70 then.

[Archaic]

Article On Q. Victoria's Bloomers? - OR Paid Advert for RE's Book + Shawl Theory?

This Daily Mail article is ostensibly about a pair of Queen Victoria's size XL bloomers sold at auction, but the text is mostly about RE and the "Eddowes Shawl".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3157780/Bloomin-expensive-Queen-Victoria-s-pants-fetch-record-breaking-12k-auction.html

Oh so subtle product placement...
Archaic

[GUT]

This Daily Mail article is ostensibly about a pair of Queen Victoria's size XL bloomers sold at auction, but the text is mostly about RE and the "Eddowes Shawl".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3157780/Bloomin-expensive-Queen-Victoria-s-pants-fetch-record-breaking-12k-auction.html

Oh so subtle product placement...
Archaic

Maybe Jari can turn his DNA testing to QV's bloomers and prove something [not sure what].

[RockySullivan]

Maybe Jari can turn his DNA testing to QV's bloomers and prove something [not sure what].

if the bloomers fit...

too bad it's not QV's brassiere

[GUT]

if the bloomers fit...

too bad it's not QV's brassiere

Wonder if they were black too after she went into mourning for her beloved.

[richardh]

According to the Moments in Time auction site, the shawl has solved one of the greatest murder mysteries.

Its site says: 'One of the greatest unsolved crime mysteries of all time has been solved through cutting-edge science, historical research and a great deal of determination and good fortune.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3157780/Bloomin-expensive-Queen-Victoria-s-pants-fetch-record-breaking-12k-auction.html

[richardh]

We need to crowdfund and buy this shawl to get it tested properly.

[GUT]

According to the Moments in Time auction site, the shawl has solved one of the greatest murder mysteries.

Its site says: 'One of the greatest unsolved crime mysteries of all time has been solved through cutting-edge science, historical research and a great deal of determination and good fortune.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...k-auction.html

A pity really isn't it.

[Archaic]

Used Shawl For Sale: Link to Shawl Webpage at Auction House

As most of you know, Russell Edwards is offering the 'Eddowes shawl' for sale via an auction site called Moments In Time.

Here's a direct link to the auction house's webpage about the shawl. It features a includes a lengthy description, photos, and a video, etc. as well as links for Dr.Jari Louhelainen, Dr. Fyaz Ismail and Dr. David Miller.

http://momentsintime.com/naming-jack-the-ripper.html

Apparently every item offered for sale comes with a "Lifetime Guarantee of Authenticity." It would be interesting to see how the shawl's guarantee is worded.

Best regards,
Archaic

[GUT]

As most of you know, Russell Edwards is offering the 'Eddowes shawl' for sale via an auction site called Moments In Time.

Here's a direct link to the auction house's webpage about the shawl. It features a includes a lengthy description, photos, and a video, etc. as well as links for Dr.Jari Louhelainen, Dr. Fyaz Ismail and Dr. David Miller.

http://momentsintime.com/naming-jack-the-ripper.html

Apparently every item offered for sale comes with a "Lifetime Guarantee of Authenticity." It would be interesting to see how the shawl's guarantee is worded.

Best regards,
Archaic

Maybe "guaranteed to be cloth".

[GUT]

Maybe "guaranteed to be cloth".

Or maybe "Guaranteed o be the bit I wrote a book about".

The provenance is an interesting read

"According to the vendor's family history ..."

Well that proves a lot

[richardh]

"The circle is now complete. One of the greatest unsolved crime mysteries of all time has been solved through cutting edge science, historical research and a great deal of determination and good fortune. Aaron Kosminski – Jack the Ripper – has been placed, once and for all, at the scene of Catherine Eddowes’s horrific murder."


Are they allowed to assert such conclusive proof in the face of overwhelming evidence that the tests undertaken were fatally flawed? Surely that's misrepresentation? Edward's result has not been subject to any peer review or independent 3rd party testing so it's simply the word of a 'businessman' who's decided he's right and says the case is proved. That's not the way it works.

Still I suppose it's cavat emptor at the end of the day.

This things stinks like a 127 year old, cut-up, unwashed shawl !

(I reckon Edwards could work miracles on the Turin Shroud)