A problem with the "Eddowes Shawl" DNA match

[mickreed]

Hi Rocky.

I know you feel strongly about this, but I don't agree with your exaggerated characterization.

I don't think Mr, Edwards and Dr. Louhelainen seem like Hollywood villains at all; I think they seem like human beings who appear to have made some mistakes.

All humans are fallible. Mistakes are part of the human condition. Many philosophers say it's what you do after making a mistake that matters the most.

From what I've seen and read thus far I may not agree with some of their choices, but I still hope to hear their responses to the questions that have been raised.

Best regards,
Archaic

I agree, Archaic, but it's also easy to sympathise with Rocky. As you say, the most important thing is what somebody does after a mistake has been found.

So far, the answer seems to be nothing - except blame an unnamed person connected to the 'Ripper industry' and the Independent for having an 'agenda', and claiming a million books sold.

Rocky seems angry, and I don't blame him.

[pinkmoon]

IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE BEEN MISLED WHEN YOU PURCHASED MR EDWARDS BOOK EMAIL AMAZON AND SEE IF THEY WILL REFUND YOUR MONEY .I purchased the" fifth victim " and when I read it and discoverd the story was made up I contacted amazon who removed it from my kindle account and refunded my money.

[Archaic]

Russell Edwards seems like a villain straight out of a Hollywood movie, and jari is of course the generic evil henchman scientist. I can't believe these guys exist in real life

Hi Rocky.

I know you feel strongly about this, but I don't agree with your exaggerated characterization.

I don't think Mr, Edwards and Dr. Louhelainen seem like Hollywood villains at all; I think they seem like human beings who appear to have made some mistakes.

All humans are fallible. Mistakes are part of the human condition. Many philosophers say it's what you do after making a mistake that matters the most.

From what I've seen and read thus far I may not agree with some of their choices, but I still hope to hear their responses to the questions that have been raised.

Best regards,
Archaic

[GUT]

I see that RE is a 'revered Ripperologist.' Jigger me!

[mickreed]

I see that RE is a 'revered Ripperologist.' Jigger me!

I think he likes himself.

[Robert]

I see that RE is a 'revered Ripperologist.' Jigger me!

[Archaic]

'Jack the Ripper' Candy

Somebody produced a Jack the Ripper sweet in the shape of a knife shortly after the murders. Nothing is new.

Hi Paul.

A Ripper sweet in the shape of a knife? Wow.

Freud would have a field day.

Would you happen to have an advertisement or illustration of the candy, or a link to further information?

Do you know how the general public c. 1888 reacted to 'Ripper knife candy'?

I'm giving further thought to the rest of your post, which I find very interesting.

Thanks very much,
Bunny

[mickreed]

How to quickly sell a million

According to Novelrank, the ebook is selling like hot cakes - 134 total in nearly two months in UK

Sales rankings for the hardback are even worse than a few days ago.



It's going to be hard to hit a million sales at this rate. But wait, it's already there. Que?

[RockySullivan]

Russell Edwards seems like a villain straight out of a Hollywood movie, and jari is of course the generic evil henchman scientist. I can't believe these guys exist in real life

[mickreed]

Somebody produced a Jack the Ripper sweet in the shape of a knife shortly after the murders. Nothing is new.

The difference between Jack the Ripper and, say, Ed Gein, is that Jack the Ripper very quickly passed into the realms of fiction/folklore; This unreal Jack inspired novels, plays, radio dramas, movies, TV programmes... This unreal Jack is what is celebrated in pub names, walks, Ripper Tipple drinks, and all sorts of stuff just like you'll find in the Sherlock Holmes museum. That's what the walk and the dinner is all about. A Dracula walk followed by a dinner with all the trappings of Halloween is taken for what it is intended to be, not as recalling Vlad the Impaler.

I think there's a difference, Paul. And sure, nothing is new.

Some aspects of RE's activities may well fit into the 'unreal Jack' theme that you refer to. But RE's site contains numerous references to the 'real Jack, that is AK. He even has a page

http://www.thejacktheripperexperience.co.uk/dont-think-time-knew-name/

In which the 'real Jack' confesses all and then asks us to find out more from RE - the keeper of the truth.

I'm sorry, Paul, but the only aspect of the book that pointed (possibly) to AK was the DNA, and that is wanting. I prefer to respect the opinions of four leading and international DNA experts to that of one whose expertise, while surely considerable, could be unmasked by a few amateurs on Casebook.

It's a case of integrity which should always trump business. The silence since 19 October has been deafening. Until that silence is broken, then I can find nothing to say in RE's support.

And is it acceptable to claim a million sales of the book if it's not right? It may be right, but it seems very unlikely.

[mickreed]

Yuk!

http://www.thejacktheripperexperience.co.uk/dont-think-time-knew-name/

[Panderoona]

"We may have a book sequel by next month."

'Renaming Jack The Ripper'?

[Panderoona]

As I understand it Website 2 is the "current" one, he jetisoned the first because it is named "tours and store" and my understanding is the shop is now closed.

It seems strange to me to have both sites live though, and even stranger to choose this particular moment to close the shop and set up a new website. Someone some time ago called it a "smash and grab" and I am beginning to think they are right.

[PaulB]

Somebody produced a Jack the Ripper sweet in the shape of a knife shortly after the murders. Nothing is new.

The difference between Jack the Ripper and, say, Ed Gein, is that Jack the Ripper very quickly passed into the realms of fiction/folklore; This unreal Jack inspired novels, plays, radio dramas, movies, TV programmes... This unreal Jack is what is celebrated in pub names, walks, Ripper Tipple drinks, and all sorts of stuff just like you'll find in the Sherlock Holmes museum. That's what the walk and the dinner is all about. A Dracula walk followed by a dinner with all the trappings of Halloween is taken for what it is intended to be, not as recalling Vlad the Impaler.

[mickreed]

Yes, I think you're right. It also has a new post dated yesterday in the section entitled "What the World's Press are saying about Russell Edwards". Curiously, it doesn't say anything about what the world's press is currently saying about Russell Edwards.

I think that as time goes on the refusal to acknowledge a clear error does, in effect, become indistinguishable from fraud.

How shameless this bloke is? The web site is as tacky as they come. If anyone has been to the shop you can review it on Trip Advisor. I was very tempted to, as an excuse to say what I thought about the book, but since you have to attest that you've really been there, that would have made me (almost) as bad as RE.

And yes, Chris. The F-word seems less inappropriate now.