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    Hello All. This snippet is from "The Bristol Mercury and Daily Post" of 6 October, 1888.

    You will notice that it is already claimed that Kate's mutilations lack skill--several days before Baxter made that claim at the summary of the Stride inquest.

    Perhaps Baxter was following the thinking of another here and not just making up a story to save his theory?

    Cheers.
    LC
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  • #2
    G'day Lynn

    Don't leave us hanging.

    What is the element they refer to?
    G U T

    There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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    • #3
      precision

      Hello GUT. Thanks.

      Obviously, it is the precision of the cuts that are referenced here. Hence, Baxter, many days later, remarked on this SAME motif and wondered aloud if it were not the work of an imitator.

      The point, however, is that the skill comparison did NOT originate with Baxter at inquest, but rather, the doctors in their post mortem on Kate. Baxter, in his summation at the Stride inquest, merely acknowledged that fact.

      Cheers.
      LC

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      • #4
        Howdy Lynn,

        wouldn't it be worth considering, back then and today, that whether the perp had excellent skills or none at all might not have made much of a difference, given the short time?
        Lawende & Co. seeing a couple at the passage to Mitre Square about 10 min. before Catherine Eddowes was discovered, Lawende IDing the clothes, making it plausible that it were her and the perp they saw. So he had only minutes to lead her from the passage to the part of the square where she was found, kill her, etc. - would even an expert manage within 10 min. in a way that would distinguish his hand from that of an unexperienced?

        In the post-mortem was stated 'a stump' of the uterus was left.
        It seems all very skilled, certainly if you ask Trevor Marriott, but then again one can read the whole also as a combination of rough cutting plus - perhaps - finding without searching [= the uterus being important to him, the rest more random]
        It's just, 10 minutes, really, really speedy in semi-darkness; an 'artist' might face the absolute same as he clumsy butcher within this time-frame.

        I might be very wrong here.

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        • #5
          p.s.

          an oups -
          noticing that this wasn't quite the point you made.

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          • #6
            in a hurry

            Hello Sepiae. Thanks. Although that is not my point--as you rightly observe--yet what you say carries weight. GIVEN the obvious difference in skill levels (which were not just a will o' the wisp on Baxter's part), is that significant?

            First, as regards organ removal, I have NEVER made heavy weather out of that. Actually, I'd agree that the Eddowes' removal is only slightly less skilled than that exhibited in the Chapman event. My ruminations involve ONLY the precision of the cuts themselves (cf Baxter's remarks at inquest.)

            Your argument indicates haste as a possible explanation. Granted. But please to recall that such haste was factored into the equation by Dr. Phillips at the Chapman inquest. And still, there seems here to be a significant difference in the cutting skill shown between "C2" and "C4."

            Cheers.
            LC

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            • #7
              G'day Lynn

              Sorry what meant was that last sentence "One of the most extraordinary incidents about the crime is that ..."
              G U T

              There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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              • #8
                in conclusion

                Hello GUT. Thanks.

                The next line reads, "Not the slightest scream was heard."

                Cheers.
                LC

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                  Hello GUT. Thanks.

                  The next line reads, "Not the slightest scream was heard."

                  Cheers.
                  LC
                  Thanks Lynn
                  G U T

                  There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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                  • #10
                    Jack certainly had a 'kosher' way of killing. I wonder if there were any Jewish butchers living in the area with those expertise?

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                    • #11
                      pleasure

                      Hello GUT. Thanks. The pleasure was all mine.

                      Cheers.
                      LC

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                      • #12
                        kosher

                        Hello Harry. Thanks.

                        Out of curiousity, what, specifically was kosher about them?

                        Cheers.
                        LC

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                          Hello Harry. Thanks.

                          Out of curiousity, what, specifically was kosher about them?

                          Cheers.
                          LC
                          Hello Lynn,

                          Most of Jack's victims were killed ritualistically with one powerful slash across the throat and he knew precisely how to quickly drain the victim's blood before he began his evisceration.

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                          • #14
                            In addition to time, could he have had better lighting with Chapman? They also differ in body type. I don't know if this would affect the difficulty of the task or not.

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                            • #15
                              ritual

                              Hello Harry. Thanks.

                              One slash killed? Then why did Polly and Annie receive TWO cuts to the neck?

                              Ritualistically? How so?

                              Cheers.
                              LC

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