Kate's "Nothing"

[moonbegger]

Hello Barnaby ,

Yes. Goulston Street is on the way from Berner Street to Mitre Square.

Not directly its not .. but if the killer was on his way to Bishopsgate station to pick up Kate .. Then it could make a lot more sense

Especially looking at the GSG " Will not be blamed for Nothing " Like its not happened yet but it will , and soon !

moonbegger

[Sunbury]

Why obsess over someone's words who was blind drunk?

I consider way to much emphasis is placed on Eddowes saying "nothing". She was blind drunk at the time, so anything she said must have that most overpowering fact taken into account.

Likewise her "planned meeting" with Jack, she was blind drunk, so firstly, there was real risk she would sleep through the rendezvous and secondly there was a real risk she wouldn't remember she had an appointment. Indeed her last words were of concern she might get a beating when she got home, not that she was off meeting someone.

[GUT]

G'day Sunbury

Likewise her "planned meeting" with Jack, she was blind drunk, so firstly, there was real risk she would sleep through the rendezvous and secondly there was a real risk she wouldn't remember she had an appointment. Indeed her last words were of concern she might get a beating when she got home, not that she was off meeting someone.

She was blind drunk when arrested, but was she still when she got out at 1:00 am?

[Monty]

Eddowes wouldn't have been released if she was 'blind drunk'.

Monty

[GUT]

G'day Monty

Sometimes I've been very aware, otherwise not at all, manly depending on what I was drinking.

[markmorey5]

I don't drink much but I have been out of it with hypoglycemia and sometimes you know what's going on and sometimes not. I do know with regular, heavy drinkers that they can drink a lot and be well drunk and appear and act quite sober.

Not be blamed for nothing is the way cockney's speak and it means 'not be blamed for anything'. It's probably pronounced 'not be blamed for nuffink' if you get the idea.

[GUT]

But does it matter what she remembered and what she didn't?

[moonbegger]

But does it matter what she remembered and what she didn't?

I don't think Kate's memory or timekeeping had anything to do with her being targeted , if indeed she was ! maybe the fact that she was drunk and being marched off to spend a few hours in a sober cell , along with the fact that she referred to herself as "Nothing" may have been enough for the Killer in the crowd to think " I'll see you later , Nothing" . from that point on, all the impetus to control the Evenings activities would have been firmly with the killer .

Total conjecture of course

moonbegger

[GUT]

G'day Moonbegger

Or the poor thing was just plain good old fashioned unlucky, and in yhe wrong place at the wrong time.

[Barnaby]

Hello Barnaby ,



Not directly its not .. but if the killer was on his way to Bishopsgate station to pick up Kate .. Then it could make a lot more sense

Especially looking at the GSG " Will not be blamed for Nothing " Like its not happened yet but it will , and soon !

moonbegger

Good thinking Moonbegger,

(In the spirit of Kate), I was drinking when I made my original post and mistook George Yards for Dutfields yard (which even she wouldn't do)! But you saved me!

[moonbegger]

Good thinking Moonbegger,

(In the spirit of Kate), I was drinking when I made my original post and mistook George Yards for Dutfields yard (which even she wouldn't do)! But you saved me!

Haha , I saw where you was going with it Barnaby .. may have to rethink my Stride inclusion ! it does all fit together pretty well

moonbegger

[moonbegger]

G'day Moonbegger

Or the poor thing was just plain good old fashioned unlucky, and in yhe wrong place at the wrong time.

Yes Gut , even the highly improbable , is also possible ..

moonbegger

[Observer]

Yes Gut , even the highly improbable , is also possible ..

moonbegger

Highly improbable that Kate Eddowes met her end because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time? And this from someone who suggested that the word "nothing" in the GSG could have referred to Eddowes in person. Incredible.

[Sunbury]

Highly improbable that Kate Eddowes met her end because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time? And this from someone who suggested that the word "nothing" in the GSG could have referred to Eddowes in person. Incredible.

I totally agree. This fixation on the world "nothing" puzzles me. She was blind drunk, but more importantly no Police transcript of the actual conversation exists. In the days before recordings were made, a "I said/He said" statement was produced to detail conversations.

It is highly probable she slurred some words and the word "nothing" was the only one recognisable. Its a valid a theory as any as no one can ever know.

Secondly all her possessions were on her, even down to her period strips of cloths. With all the various items on her person, she was most probably heading to "home". She was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

She would have still been drunk when she left the Police Station, alcohol takes a long time to leave the system. That could have made her more trusting or more flirtatious, no one knows.

One final point, we really only have the Police Statements about her condition on leaving and what she said on arriving. The City Police would be in serious damage control, they let a woman onto the streets late at night and who then was promptly murdered.

The Police would be doing everything to present themselves in the best possible light, even outright lying. Therefore Catherine MUST be sober, she MUST be asking to released, else the Police could be in very serious trouble.

[Observer]

Hi Sunbury

Fixation by a few I might add. I have no doubt that the word "nothing" refers only to it's original meaning i.e. "nothing".

I have long toyed with the ide that the police were less than truthful when considering Kate Eddowes release from police custody on the night of her murder. As you say, they had a lot to loose should it have become known that she was forcibly ejected against her will to eventually meet her destroyer. Upon reflection though, I now believe it was in all likelihood a little bit of both. That is, it was they who woke her and she went reluctantly into the night.

Regards

Observer