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I wanted to start a new thread regarding some thoughts and queries I have regarding Catherine Eddowes and her murder.
Firstly, I'd like to ask if anyone feels there's any significance to the fact that shortly before she was murdered, she gave her name as Mary (Ann) Kelly.
She gave her name as Mary Kelly on at least 2 separate occasions, once to the policeman when she was released from her cell the night she was murdered and prior to that, to the person at the pawn shop.
My question is, did she tell her killer her name was Mary Kelly? Or Kate Kelly?
In other words, did Catherine Eddowes identify herself as someone else to her killer; a name that matched his next victim Mary J Kelly?
Catherine Eddowes stated that she thought she knew the identity of the killer and because she said this in public, it may be fair as assume she told a lot of people in a short space of time.
What if the real killer had heard that a woman believed she could identify him and he needed to act to silence her.
When you add this to the fact that Mary J Kelly was later butchered in Miller's Court, and the fact that Catherine Eddowes had mentioned her name was Mary Kelly on multiple occasions shortly before her death, what if the killer was on the lookout for a prostitute named Mary Kelly because he needed to silence her...
Ergo, what if he had heard that a woman called Mary Kelly could identify him and in his mind he butchered 2 women who had gave the same first name and surname?
Could Eddowes have been his target (believing she was called Mary Kelly because that's what she had said before in public and that's the name of the woman he had heard could identify him. He never knew her OR MJK by face, but only by name.
And could the whole double event have been a ruse to disguise the fact he was after Eddowes (believing she was called Mary Kelly) He then deliberately used Stride as an active decoy for the main event and all he wanted to do with Stride was to kill her and he had no intention of butchering her. He needed a decoy murder away from the area he wanted to focus on.
Now it's fair to assume that the killer knew the police beats and if he did go for her because she blagged about knowing who he was, then perhaps he followed her over the days leading up to her death.
When he butchered Eddowes, it wasn't just about killing her like Chapman and Nichols, he also wanted to attack her eyes and ears (and nose,) as a means of targeting her sensory areas as a way of making sure she could no longer see or hear him both literally and metaphorically.
And after he kills Eddowes he takes a piece of her apron, but because he's in a hurry he cuts himself for the first time. He cuts the apron to cover his wound and exits towards Goulston Street. But he can't go back to his lodging house/home because he is cut and needs to wait...and so he hides in the basement area of the tenement block close to where he then later places the piece of apron...with his blood on it. the reason why the policeman who passed the location DIDN'T see the piece of apron there is because it wasn't there...but the killer was hiding nearby because he couldn't risk going any further until he had stemmed the bleeding.
He waited for a considerable amount of time and then when the coast was clear he placed the apron at the location he intended, just below an anti-Semitic piece of chalk writing that had been scribbled there recently and which he had known about having passed the area prior to the murder.
The problem was...he thought he had just killed a woman called Mary Kelly, the woman who had bragged about knowing his identity.
It may have confused him that Eddowes didn't in fact recognize him and that she had been wrong.. but he sought to kill her anyway.
How infuriating it must have been to then realize he had silenced the wrong woman.
He then made inquiries around the lodging houses/other prostitutes, and when he discovered a woman called Mary Kelly who dwelled at Miller's Court, he then targeted MJK just to be sure it wasn't her who recognized him.
He then did the same facial attacks to MJK, but a lot more extensive...
I find it also interesting that the identity of MJK has eluded us for many years. Was she Irish as she claimed?
The potential Welsh link is particularly interesting because it is in fact Eddowes who has the names Evans and Phillips in her family line.
Did Eddowes call herself Mary Kelly because she knew Mary J Kelly?
And was MJK's real name completely different to her birth name?
Were Eddowes and Kelly connected through family?
Why did Eddowes use the name the night she died which matched the name of the killer's next victim?
Surely that's too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence?
Thoughts on my rather radical hypothesis please?
I wanted to start a new thread regarding some thoughts and queries I have regarding Catherine Eddowes and her murder.
Firstly, I'd like to ask if anyone feels there's any significance to the fact that shortly before she was murdered, she gave her name as Mary (Ann) Kelly.
She gave her name as Mary Kelly on at least 2 separate occasions, once to the policeman when she was released from her cell the night she was murdered and prior to that, to the person at the pawn shop.
My question is, did she tell her killer her name was Mary Kelly? Or Kate Kelly?
In other words, did Catherine Eddowes identify herself as someone else to her killer; a name that matched his next victim Mary J Kelly?
Catherine Eddowes stated that she thought she knew the identity of the killer and because she said this in public, it may be fair as assume she told a lot of people in a short space of time.
What if the real killer had heard that a woman believed she could identify him and he needed to act to silence her.
When you add this to the fact that Mary J Kelly was later butchered in Miller's Court, and the fact that Catherine Eddowes had mentioned her name was Mary Kelly on multiple occasions shortly before her death, what if the killer was on the lookout for a prostitute named Mary Kelly because he needed to silence her...
Ergo, what if he had heard that a woman called Mary Kelly could identify him and in his mind he butchered 2 women who had gave the same first name and surname?
Could Eddowes have been his target (believing she was called Mary Kelly because that's what she had said before in public and that's the name of the woman he had heard could identify him. He never knew her OR MJK by face, but only by name.
And could the whole double event have been a ruse to disguise the fact he was after Eddowes (believing she was called Mary Kelly) He then deliberately used Stride as an active decoy for the main event and all he wanted to do with Stride was to kill her and he had no intention of butchering her. He needed a decoy murder away from the area he wanted to focus on.
Now it's fair to assume that the killer knew the police beats and if he did go for her because she blagged about knowing who he was, then perhaps he followed her over the days leading up to her death.
When he butchered Eddowes, it wasn't just about killing her like Chapman and Nichols, he also wanted to attack her eyes and ears (and nose,) as a means of targeting her sensory areas as a way of making sure she could no longer see or hear him both literally and metaphorically.
And after he kills Eddowes he takes a piece of her apron, but because he's in a hurry he cuts himself for the first time. He cuts the apron to cover his wound and exits towards Goulston Street. But he can't go back to his lodging house/home because he is cut and needs to wait...and so he hides in the basement area of the tenement block close to where he then later places the piece of apron...with his blood on it. the reason why the policeman who passed the location DIDN'T see the piece of apron there is because it wasn't there...but the killer was hiding nearby because he couldn't risk going any further until he had stemmed the bleeding.
He waited for a considerable amount of time and then when the coast was clear he placed the apron at the location he intended, just below an anti-Semitic piece of chalk writing that had been scribbled there recently and which he had known about having passed the area prior to the murder.
The problem was...he thought he had just killed a woman called Mary Kelly, the woman who had bragged about knowing his identity.
It may have confused him that Eddowes didn't in fact recognize him and that she had been wrong.. but he sought to kill her anyway.
How infuriating it must have been to then realize he had silenced the wrong woman.
He then made inquiries around the lodging houses/other prostitutes, and when he discovered a woman called Mary Kelly who dwelled at Miller's Court, he then targeted MJK just to be sure it wasn't her who recognized him.
He then did the same facial attacks to MJK, but a lot more extensive...
I find it also interesting that the identity of MJK has eluded us for many years. Was she Irish as she claimed?
The potential Welsh link is particularly interesting because it is in fact Eddowes who has the names Evans and Phillips in her family line.
Did Eddowes call herself Mary Kelly because she knew Mary J Kelly?
And was MJK's real name completely different to her birth name?
Were Eddowes and Kelly connected through family?
Why did Eddowes use the name the night she died which matched the name of the killer's next victim?
Surely that's too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence?
Thoughts on my rather radical hypothesis please?
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