The Goulston Street Apron

[lynn cates]

attention

Hello Rivkah. Thanks.

"in Eddowes, we have a torn apron, but if the killer removed something entirely, not leaving half behind, we'd probably never know."

Of course, taking a cloth is small beer. I mean we have no other case of LEAVING a cloth, and in a prominent place, possibly to call attention to the deed.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

scarf

Hello Jon.

"I seem to recall someone discovering that Chapman was missing her scarf?"

Do you recall when it was last seen?

Cheers.
LC

[Prosector]

The Goulston Street Apron

If he simply wanted to clean his hands or the knife why would he not have done so on the apron where it was without cutting a section away? It would have taken less time than cutting part of it away. I believe that he removed it and dropped it where he did because he wanted it to be connected to the killing and in turn to the graffito. The Wentworth Model Dwellings were, I think, deliberately chosen by him because they were home to a large number of Jews.

Prosector

[RivkahChaya]

Hello Rivkah. Thanks.

"The more I think about it, the more I think that wrapping up the kidney is the best suggestion I have ever heard for removing the cloth."

OK. But surely we do not encounter an analogous situation with Annie?

Cheers.
LC

I don't know; however, the apron is missing, and something happened to it. The fecal matter convinces me pretty well that the killer cut the apron, and Eddowes didn't rip it on a nail, or something, while getting drunk earlier in the evening.

Anyway, the fact that is that the apron is missing. We know hat because of the half left behind. We don't have analogous situations with other victims, because, in Eddowes, we have a torn apron, but if the killer removed something entirely, not leaving half behind, we'd probably never know.

I always understood the apron piece to be at least approx half the size of the apron, (all that was left with the body was listed as "one piece of old white apron"), partially blood soaked, and also smeared with faeces...

Since Eddowes wasn't healthy, she may have had a really strong odor to her, well, anyway. I've dealt with colostomy bags, and sometimes the smell can be pretty powerful, although I have no idea whether that has something to do with being at a different place in the digestive process that we usually get a whiff of.

What I'm getting at, is that in addition to the usual human aversion to crap, maybe the odor was especially strong, and the killer didn't want it giving him away. As to why he didn't clean entirely at the scene, maybe he heard footsteps, or just got paranoid. Also, a stimulus that worries us can loom bigger in our senses than it really is, so if the thought occurred to him that the odor would give him away, it might have smelled pretty strong to him.

I know that people tend to make sort of a super-villain out of JTR, as someone who wasn't afraid of risks, or the police, or a little crap on his hands, but that may not have been the case. If he was driven by a really strong compulsion, it may have overcome fears of being caught, but then, and soon as it was satisfied, fears may have returned, so he very well could have become suddenly paranoid, as soon as the "event" was over. I put it that way, because I don't know what made it "over" for him. Not the woman's actual death. Pulling an organ out of her? the body becoming cold? But, the event went all the way from selecting a victim to some end point after she was dead, and his emotional state, and ability to worry about getting caught could have changed dramatically during the event, from what it was on either side of it.

[Wickerman]

I seem to recall someone discovering that Chapman was missing her scarf?