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  • Harry D
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    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

    hi greenway and welcome! The ripper intentionally cut away the apron and left it with the GSG (which he wrote) to sign it. And considering the events of that evening and the ripper being disturbed/seen/interupted by Jew/s that night and the meaning of the gsg being disparaging to jews I think its fairly obvious the ripper was giving a little pay pack to said jews and some obsfucation to the police. It was also a mainy jewish residence and one of the residents would have surly wiped it off if it had been their any length of time and seen-that writing never saw the light of day.
    Hello, Abby.

    What do you think triggered that particular message, though?

    Why did the killer leave a vague message about the Jews not accepting blame? Why did his message have nothing to do with the murders or his motives?

    You say he might have been disturbed or seen by Jews that night. So, what? Although he might have been frustrated with how things went down with Stride, he was able to make up for it with Eddowes and then some.

    When I interpret the GSG, it's obvious to me what the author is getting at. Essentially, the Jews won't accept responsibility for their actions. It could be anything from selling overpriced wares (something the late Martin Fido theorized) to the crucifixion of Jesus. I don't think the author was trying to frame the Jews with this message at all.

    But it's still odd to me that the killer chose to leave a note on this single occasion. Particularly, when you consider the uninterrupted time he had in Miller's Court to sign off the murder.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

    I would question the statement that the Graffiti was fresh, and suggest that this comment made by Halse is unsafe.

    How can anyone tell by simply looking it at whether it was made 1 hour previous or one day previous?

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    You may need to sit down first Trevor but…..I tend to agree with you on this particular point. I’m undecided on whether the GSG was written by the killer but as you say chalk writing written 2, 3 or more days ago wouldn’t look any different from the same written 2 or 3 hours ago. If he simply meant that no one had brushed against it and blurred or erased any part of it then I think we could assume that locals were capable of walking past a wall without rubbing against it. As I say, the GSG may have been written by the killer but I don’t think that Halse’s description of how it looked helps us either way.

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  • Trevor Marriott
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    Originally posted by Varqm View Post
    The GSG writing looked fresh per Halse. As Eddowes's had many rags for wiping the hands/knife, Trevor's experiment that it could not have been used for carrying organs, most likely, also helps in pointing to the apron being used for another purpose, for sending a message, for writing the graffito.
    I would question the statement that the Graffiti was fresh, and suggest that this comment made by Halse is unsafe.

    How can anyone tell by simply looking it at whether it was made 1 hour previous or one day previous?

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  • MrBarnett
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    Originally posted by Greenway View Post

    For all you or anyone else knows Queen Victoria could have written the message - Like the police at the time, I believe the killer wrote it.

    All the best
    For all I know, Queen Victoria may have been a man, but my instincts suggest otherwise.

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  • harry
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    Probably most persons believe the killer deposited the apron piece where it was found.Me,I am not so sure.Most posters might also believe the killer wrote the message.Me ,I am not so sure.

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  • Greenway
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    Originally posted by harry View Post
    You are welcome to your beliefs Greenway.
    Thank you.

    As I indicated,beliefs aren't proofs.
    Thank God!


    All the best.

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by Greenway View Post

    For all you or anyone else knows Queen Victoria could have written the message - Like the police at the time, I believe the killer wrote it.

    All the best
    Indeed Greenway, its pretty obvious-to me anyway. And yes you are correct they should have photographed it-bad mistake.

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  • harry
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    You are welcome to your beliefs Greenway.As I indicated,beliefs aren't proofs.

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  • Greenway
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    Originally posted by harry View Post
    As we do not know,Greenway,the true situation regarding the writing being present on Longs first patrol after the murder of Eddowes,any attempt to use the apron and writing jointly as a clue,is down to belief,not proof.For all I or anyone else are aware of,Long himself could have written the message.It's a possibility no matter how remote,as is the possibility that Long did not tell the complete truth.
    For all you or anyone else knows Queen Victoria could have written the message - Like the police at the time, I believe the killer wrote it.

    All the best

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  • harry
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    As we do not know,Greenway,the true situation regarding the writing being present on Longs first patrol after the murder of Eddowes,any attempt to use the apron and writing jointly as a clue,is down to belief,not proof.For all I or anyone else are aware of,Long himself could have written the message.It's a possibility no matter how remote,as is the possibility that Long did not tell the complete truth.

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  • Varqm
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    The GSG writing looked fresh per Halse. As Eddowes's had many rags for wiping the hands/knife, Trevor's experiment that it could not have been used for carrying organs, most likely, also helps in pointing to the apron being used for another purpose, for sending a message, for writing the graffito.

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  • Trevor Marriott
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    Originally posted by Greenway View Post

    Wow, that's impressive. What where victorian aprons made of? Or where they heavily starched?

    The piece was roughly half of the original apron, so quite large. It was directly under the writing, so right in the doorway. If it had unfurled itself flat then it's hard to see how it could have been missed on previous visits.

    All the best
    There is no definitive evidnce to show the size of the apron piece.

    www.trevormarriott.co.uk

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  • Greenway
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    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

    hi greenway and welcome! The ripper intentionally cut away the apron and left it with the GSG (which he wrote) to sign it. And considering the events of that evening and the ripper being disturbed/seen/interupted by Jew/s that night and the meaning of the gsg being disparaging to jews I think its fairly obvious the ripper was giving a little pay pack to said jews and some obsfucation to the police. It was also a mainy jewish residence and one of the residents would have surly wiped it off if it had been their any length of time and seen-that writing never saw the light of day.
    Thanks Abby,

    It's a shame it wasn't photographed or even transcribed with any certainty

    All the best

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  • Greenway
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    Originally posted by Trevor Marriott View Post

    It would depend on the size of the apron piece. A small piece might scrunch up, but no way could any significant sized piece scrunch up it would simply unfurl and recoil to a flat piece of material.
    Wow, that's impressive. What where victorian aprons made of? Or where they heavily starched?

    The piece was roughly half of the original apron, so quite large. It was directly under the writing, so right in the doorway. If it had unfurled itself flat then it's hard to see how it could have been missed on previous visits.

    All the best
    Last edited by Greenway; 09-20-2021, 07:23 PM.

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  • Trevor Marriott
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    Originally posted by Greenway View Post

    I'm not aware of any detailed description of the positioning of the apron - it would be useful to know whether it was scrunched up in the corner or laid out prominently.
    It would depend on the size of the apron piece. A small piece might scrunch up, but no way could any significant sized piece scrunch up it would simply unfurl and recoil to a flat piece of material.

    If it was a small piece it could have easily been missed first time round

    An easy experiment for one and all to try at home

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