John's Echo Interview

[lynn cates]

Here endeth the lesson.

Hello Simon. Thanks. If true, that would establish Kate at Mile End Friday night.

But it sounds a bit like a sermon, if you catch my meaning. And the date makes it look a bit apocryphal.

Cheers.
LC

[Simon Wood]

Hi Lynn,

Apocryphal is a good word.

No mention from the superintendent, I notice, about the all-important spot of bother which released Eddowes from the casual ward a day early.

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

Take that!

Hello Simon. Thanks.

Quite. In reading about casual wards, I found they were intended as quasi-punitive. Hence, you were expected to work until the afternoon. I suppose that accounts for the jury chap who astonished himself at inquest with Kate's early release.

Cheers.
LC

[Simon Wood]

Hi Lynn,

The Casual Poor Act 1882 stated that "A casual pauper shall not be entitled to discharge himself from a casual ward before nine o'clock in the morning of the second day following his admission."

If Eddowes had stayed at the Mile End Casual Ward on the night of Friday 28th September, she would not have been discharged until 9.00 am on Sunday 30th September and thus missed her appointment with fate in Mitre Square.

Unless, of course, there had been a convenient "spot of trouble".

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

Don't bother.

Hello Simon. Thanks. That is helpful.

I could nearly buy the "bother" business (oops, alliterated again) if only John or a lad from Mile End had spelled it out.

Cheers.
LC

[Simon Wood]

Hi Lynn,

A penny gets you a pound if Eddowes went anywhere near the Mile End casual ward on the night of 28th February.

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

En donde esta, y por que?

Hello Simon. Thanks. I can live with that.

But then, where the devil was she and why?

Cheers.
LC

[Wickerman]

Hello Jon. Don't know. But surely John was eating and he was paying his rent at Cooney's? Whence das Geld?

Cheers.
LC

When did he earn the 6d?
Any reason he couldn't have earned more in subsequent days?

Jon S.

[lynn cates]

explanation

Hello Jon. Thanks. No reason at all--even though he did not mention it at inquest. Of course, it seems to have been a burning question--how he survived after his tale of penury.

And that could explain his not looking for Kate. Why bother with her if he has money?

Cheers.
LC

[Simon Wood]

Hi Lynn,

John Kelly wasn't tramping the streets or staying at the casual ward between Friday 28th September and the latter end of the following week, so he certainly appears to have suddenly found some money from somewhere.

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

work

Hello Simon. Thanks.

Quite. But what of the suggestion that he had found work at the markets?

Cheers.
LC

[Simon Wood]

Hi Lynn,

Perfectly possible. Warum nicht?

However, if John Kelly had only taken up Frederick Blackwell's generous offer of credit Mitre Square would not have happened and he could have sailed off into the sunset with his beloved Kate.

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

Cooney's

Hello Simon. Thanks. You mean at Cooney's? (You may be thinking of the Liz examiner.)

Yes, that would have been the thing to do.

Cheers.
LC

[Trevor Marriott]

Oh Lordy, are we all getting excited now.

Kellys actions re the bonnet are quite innocent.

What was pawned exactly?

Are we party to the full dealings of witnesses? No...so we conject. Its Cross all over again.

Trevor and Simon....sounds like a kids TV act from the 80s.

Monty

Obvioulsy an award winning act

[Monty]

Obvioulsy an award winning act

Look them up on Youtube Trevor....outstanding comedy act.

Monty