John's Echo Interview

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  • Simon Wood
    Commissioner
    • Feb 2008
    • 5552

    #91
    Hi Monty,

    Thanks. No worries.

    Harmoniously yours,

    Simon
    Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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    • lynn cates
      Commisioner
      • Aug 2009
      • 13841

      #92
      times

      Hello Phil. Thanks. Well, "The Times" had her figured as early as the second or third day of October.

      John came in on Tuesday evening.

      Cheers.
      LC

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      • lynn cates
        Commisioner
        • Aug 2009
        • 13841

        #93
        bingo

        Hello Simon. Thanks. Say, I remembered right!

        Cheers.
        LC

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        • lynn cates
          Commisioner
          • Aug 2009
          • 13841

          #94
          clueless

          Hello (again) Phil.

          "So why wait? She wasn't going to be locked up for 3 days on drunk and disorderly, surely?"

          This is one I am trying to figure out myself.

          Cheers.
          LC

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          • lynn cates
            Commisioner
            • Aug 2009
            • 13841

            #95
            stash

            Hello Simon.

            "What money?"

            I wonder if they did not have just a tad somewhere? After all, John was able to live on a few days at Cooney's after Kate was killed. Surely a bit was squirreled away?

            Cheers.
            LC

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            • Phil Carter
              Commissioner
              • Oct 2009
              • 4270

              #96
              Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
              Hello Simon.

              "What money?"

              I wonder if they did not have just a tad somewhere? After all, John was able to live on a few days at Cooney's after Kate was killed. Surely a bit was squirreled away?

              Cheers.
              LC
              Hello Lynn,

              Especially as, I believe I am correct in saying that the lodging house attendant said that nobody was allowed to stay and pay "on tick".. i.e. write it up on account.

              best wishes

              Phil
              Chelsea FC. TRUE BLUE. 💙


              Justice for the 96 = achieved
              Accountability? ....

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              • lynn cates
                Commisioner
                • Aug 2009
                • 13841

                #97
                exceptions

                Hello Phil. Thanks. But I thought "Fred" made an exception for old trusted lodgers?

                Cheers.
                LC

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                • Simon Wood
                  Commissioner
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 5552

                  #98
                  Hi Lynn and Phil,

                  Wilkinson, the deputy lodging house keeper, said at the inquest, "If they had told me the previous day that they had no money I would have trusted them. I trust all lodgers I know."

                  So there would have been no need for Eddowes to "go the Mile End Casual Ward"; and even less need if, as you say, they might have had a few bob squirreled away.

                  Regards,

                  Simon
                  Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                  • lynn cates
                    Commisioner
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 13841

                    #99
                    actions

                    Hello Simon. Thanks. That was my understanding.

                    So I still cannot understand John and Kate's Friday and Saturday actions.

                    Cheers.
                    LC

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                    • Phil Carter
                      Commissioner
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 4270

                      #100
                      Originally posted by Simon Wood View Post
                      So there would have been no need for Eddowes to "go the Mile End Casual Ward"; and even less need if, as you say, they might have had a few bob squirreled away.
                      Hello Simon,

                      According to Kelly, Eddowes said that she wanted to go find some money. They agreed according to Kelly, that he was to book his place at the Lodging House, whilst she went on a trip somewhere hunting for money. Correct?

                      Meanwhile Wilkinson states that it would have been ok with a berth on tick.

                      So why did Kelly only book a single bed? He only earned 4d apparently the day she left his sight. (at the market?)

                      Simon, you said, "string vest". Ive the feeling that almost all he said was "inVESTed".

                      best wishes

                      Phil
                      Chelsea FC. TRUE BLUE. 💙


                      Justice for the 96 = achieved
                      Accountability? ....

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                      • Simon Wood
                        Commissioner
                        • Feb 2008
                        • 5552

                        #101
                        Hi Lynn,

                        I don't think we were ever meant to understand them.

                        What astonishes me most from what we know is that, except for one juryman, the inquest, the press and the police appeared to swallow all the gaping holes in Kelly's BS story without so much as batting a collective eyelid.

                        I have a few speculative ideas, but don't want to send Monty's defibrillator into orbit.

                        Regards,

                        Simon
                        Last edited by Simon Wood; 08-23-2012, 06:59 PM. Reason: correction
                        Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                        • lynn cates
                          Commisioner
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 13841

                          #102
                          Oh, bother the casual ward.

                          Hello Simon. Thanks. Actually, this is so convoluted that speculation may be counter productive.

                          I am still trying to understand Kate's early release from Mile End. John claims that he was surprised but that there was a bother at the casual ward. Later, however, he claims that Kate had told him that she would see him early. Could she foresee the bother?

                          Cheers.
                          LC

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                          • Wickerman
                            Commissioner
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 14899

                            #103
                            Originally posted by lynn cates View Post
                            Hello Simon.

                            "What money?"

                            I wonder if they did not have just a tad somewhere? After all, John was able to live on a few days at Cooney's after Kate was killed. Surely a bit was squirreled away?
                            Where?
                            Regards, Jon S.

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                            • lynn cates
                              Commisioner
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 13841

                              #104
                              money talks

                              Hello Jon. Don't know. But surely John was eating and he was paying his rent at Cooney's? Whence das Geld?

                              Cheers.
                              LC

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                              • Simon Wood
                                Commissioner
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 5552

                                #105
                                Hi Lynn,

                                Here's another spurious story for your delectation.

                                East London Observer, 13th October 1888—

                                A reporter gleaned some curious information from the Casual Ward Superintendent of Mile End, regarding Kate Eddowes, the Mitre-square victim. She was formerly well-known in the casual wards there, but had disappeared for a considerable time until the Friday preceding her murder. Asking the woman where she had been in the interval, the superintendent was met with the reply, that she had been in the country "hopping." "But," added the woman, "I have come back to earn the reward offered for the apprehension of the Whitechapel murderer. I think I know him."

                                "Mind he doesn't murder you too" replied the superintendent jocularly.

                                "Oh, no fear of that," was the remark made by Kate Eddowes as she left.

                                Within four-and-twenty hours afterward she was a mutilated corpse.

                                Regards,

                                Simon
                                Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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