Kate's Last Half Hour

[FISHY1118]

If you believe a woman wearing similar clothes was seen and it wasn't Jack & Kate but another couple, do you believe Jack and Kate were already in the square, or was Kate still ssssssssssssslllllllllllowly walking from Bishopsgate station?

What i simply saying is this , Kate and her killer could have met on the way to Mitre Square after she left the lock up ,they could just as easily entered Mitre Square via Mitre street entrance at 1.33am just after P.C Watkins had finished his rounds . That leaves a full 11 minutes to do the deed and escape before the body was discovered. Now i dont see why this scenario is any less believable Than Lawendes probable sighting of who he thought was the dead women at church st passage. Do you ?

Now just to clarify, its possible that Lawende was correct , ''BUT'' as no one actually saw Kate and her killer enter church st passage into the square [ not even Lawende , if you read his statement he clearly says he ''did not look back to see where the couple went'' ]therefor the above alternative could well have been playing out at the same time. And the Lawende couple could have wandered off in another direction .

[Sam Flynn]

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just saw Gareth's post, wrote what I was thinking, as in "would Kate have known Kelly was at Cooney's?"

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. Plus, of course, surely she'd have known that the chances of getting a room/bed in a lodging house at that time of the morning would have been minimal. Especially if she had no money.

[Robert St Devil]

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just saw Gareth's post, wrote what I was thinking, as in "would Kate have known Kelly was at Cooney's?"

[Leanne]

I know people are going to say that the passage to the orange market was blocked, because in later maps it seems to be, but in this crime scene sketch IT WASN'T!

[Leanne]

The 2nd passage in/out of Mitre Square was St. James Passage, (now called Mitre Passage), leading to St. James Place. St James Place was known as the "Orange Market"...…….ENTER JOE BARNETT LOOKING FOR AN ALIBI!

[Sam Flynn]

Actually Trevor its just an obvious conclusion, she wasn't headed to see Kelly

I'm not even sure that she'd have known were Kelly was. With little or no money, it would have been pretty much pot luck whether he'd have found a doss-house, even.

[Leanne]

https://wiki.casebook.org/mitre_square.html

[Leanne]

The 2nd passage in/out of Mitre Square was St. James Passage, (now called Mitre Passage), leading to St. James Place. St James Place was known as the "Orange Market"...…….ENTER JOE BARNETT LOOKING FOR AN ALIBI!

[Leanne]

Answer: WAS EDDOWES ALREADY IN THE SQUARE BEING HACKED TO PIECES?????????

[Leanne]

If you believe a woman wearing similar clothes was seen and it wasn't Jack & Kate but another couple, do you believe Jack and Kate were already in the square, or was Kate still ssssssssssssslllllllllllowly walking from Bishopsgate station?

[Leanne]

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What you mean to say Leanne, ''is a women whos clothes were similar to the deceased was seen by Harris Levi and Lawende''. None of those 3 could actually identify that women as Catherine Eddowes at 1.35 am .
Her body was discovered 15 minutes later, a few steps away.

She wasn't murdered 15 minutes later. He body was DISCOVERED 15 MINUTES LATER!

[Leanne]

[QUOTE=FISHY1118;n716910]

What you mean to say Leanne, ''is a women whos clothes were similar to the deceased was seen by Harris Levi and Lawende''. None of those 3 could actually identify that women as Catherine Eddowes at 1.35 am .
Her body was discovered 15 minutes later, a few steps away.

She wasn't murdered 15 minutes later. He body was DISCOVERED 15 MINUTES LATER!

[FISHY1118]

She was seen by Harris, Levi and Lawende at the Duke's Street entrance to Mitre Square around 1:35 a.m.

What you mean to say Leanne, ''is a women whos clothes were similar to the deceased was seen by Harris Levi and Lawende''. None of those 3 could actually identify that women as Catherine Eddowes at 1.35 am .

Now it may well be that its was Eddoews , but for the benefit of some who wish to have Eddowes entering Mitre square from another direction, this fact for the purpose of their argument allows them to do so .

WHY DID IT TAKE HER 27 MINUTES TO MAKE A JOURNEY THAT SHOULD HAVE TAKEN HER EIGHT?

I do however agree with the above , just where was she from 1.00 am to 1.30 am .?
Im yet to find a positive id. from anybody saying they saw her in that time , true she could have been seeing to a client before she got to the square who didn't wish to come forward. But we dont know that for sure do we .

[Leanne]

Actually Trevor its just an obvious conclusion, she wasn't headed to see Kelly, dictated by the simple left or right choice. I suppose a double cross, about face once outside is within the realm of possibilities, but not the most probable Id say. Its already proven to be correct isn't it...she did head to Mitre Square....

She turned left towards Houndsditch and in the direction that she got drunk and had been hoping earlier. It wasn't the shortest way back to Flower and Dean Street. According to Henry Hutt's estimation it would have taken her around eight minutes to reach Mitre Square.

She was seen by Harris, Levi and Lawende at the Duke's Street entrance to Mitre Square around 1:35 a.m.

WHY DID IT TAKE HER 27 MINUTES TO MAKE A JOURNEY THAT SHOULD HAVE TAKEN HER EIGHT?

[Michael W Richards]

Actually Trevor its just an obvious conclusion, she wasn't headed to see Kelly, dictated by the simple left or right choice. I suppose a double cross, about face once outside is within the realm of possibilities, but not the most probable Id say. Its already proven to be correct isn't it...she did head to Mitre Square....