Is Eddowes demise the key?

[Monty]

Now DB, you are talking my language.

News paper trawls indicate Knife crime were fairly common with stabbings far outweighing throat cuts.

Yet we have multiple killers in a small area favouring throat cuts.

How lucky is that?

Monty

[lynn cates]

Never a quickie; always a longie.

Hello Neil. Just as you wish.

(And thanks for calling it reason and not logic.)

Cheers.
LC

[D.B.Wagstaff]

Forgive me if this has been addressed already, but I've been thinking (a dangerous pasttime, I know):

Has anybody ever looked into the frequency of murder vs. the frequency of murder by knife in the White Chapel Area for the years surrounding the WCM?

My hypothesis if knives might have been the weapon of choice in such a poverty stricken area said information may shed some light on which murders might be attributable to Jack and which may be murder as usual in the East End.

[Phil Carter]

possibly

hello David,

we do not know for certain the killer was disturbed in the Stride case. It is assumed he was. Likewise Nichols. Re '3' we do not know when the killer left Eddfwes and could have been spooked by the nightwatcman opening ajar his back door- shedding a little light into the square. But we dont know either way.

Kindly

Phil

[D.B.Wagstaff]

Some things never changed DB,

Yet I'm the dinosaur.

Monty

I LIKE dinosaurs, Monty! My students tell me I AM one and on blustery winter days like today, my bones FEEL like one.

[DVV]

Ok Phil, my dear, that's your right.
No need to ask about Horsnell, Millwood, McKenzie, Smith and Tabram....The East End was really crowded with prostitutes killers. Even more chilling than Dr Jack, if you ask me....Bref !
But there again, I don't think either that the Mossad is behind September 11.

[Phil Carter]

Hello David,

personally, I think there were 3 murderers, the first two of the C5 by the same hand. The 3rd, (Stride) a one off, and the last 2 by the same hand- possibly two different but unlikely. That is wiy I see the non comparison of Kelly and Nichols.

That is one of the reasons I see the Eddfwes murder as pivital. It sticks out for many reasons.

Kindly

Phil

[DVV]

3 times (possibly) disturbed ?
Errr, Phil...Nichols + Stride = 3 (?)

[Bridewell]

Don't Follow

Likewise Eddowes and Nichols. Both done in a street. If EDDOWES' killer was the same as Nichol's, öe would have expected MORE mutilation of Nichols, as he got so much done in so little time with Eddowes, or are we to ASSUME that he may have been disturbed here as well? Thats 3 times he possibly was disturbed (or was aware of apsoaching sounds).

Kindly

Phil

I don't follow your line of reasoning on this. Three times a killer seems to have been disturbed; three times he reacts in the same way by breaking off his activities. Why is it unlikely that a killer who strikes in public places would sometimes be disturbed? Why is it unlikely that he would react in the same (pretty sensible) way on each occasion? How is all this suggestive of three different killers?

Regards, Bridewell

[DVV]

There is VERY little to connect these murders other than a slashed throat, done in a secluded spot. On that basis many female slashed throat victims, attacked in a secluded spot, before and after the C5, would be included.
Phil

And how many Whitechapel prostitutes had their throat slashed in 1887 ?

[Monty]

Some things never changed DB,

Yet I'm the dinosaur.

Monty

[DVV]

Hi Phil

Now- if looked at medically, WITHOUT presumption of öe killer, and remember the origin of the C5 concept orginated from ONE medical man- in a report to Anderson- which was questioned and ruled out by other medical men, then and now- the connections between the murders are much weaker- IGNORING the 'promotion' of just one killer at the time.

Phil

Sounds like, without Bond, those 5 murders would have been left unconnected. Is that really what you think ?

[Abby Normal]

of course they were not all killed by the same man.


Tabram-Soldier Man
Nichols-Leather Apron
Chapman-Whitechapel Murderer
Stride-Broad Shoulders
Eddowes-Sailor Man
Kelly-Astracan Man

There. Now can we all forget about this nonsense about Jack the Ripper and get back to work?

[D.B.Wagstaff]

I don't do shortcuts Lynn.

I find it leads to groundless allegations and paranoia, such as this thread.

I'll stick with the facts and good ol reason thanks.

Monty

Ah, but Monty, since London was a whirlpool of groundless allegations and paranoia at the time of WCM, what better way to tap into the mindset of the times?

Of course you are correct - we should try to stick to the facts, no matter how difficult it may be to do so . . .

[Monty]

Hello Neil.

"I'll get the hang of this hysterical baseless ripperology one day."

Take a short cut. Read a suspect book.

Cheers.
LC

I don't do shortcuts Lynn.

I find it leads to groundless allegations and paranoia, such as this thread.

I'll stick with the facts and good ol reason thanks.

Monty