"Crime Scene" Sketch.

[Hunter]

Hi Hunter,

"1 piece of old white apron" sounds like a dish cloth.

I would have expected something more along the lines of "Full white apron with piece detached."

Hi Simon,

Why would he describe it in that way? At the time he took the inventory of Kate's belongings there was no full white apron with piece detached. The missing piece was being taken to the Leman St. Police Station to be handed over to Mr. Phillips, who then took it with him to Golden Lane sometime after 5:20 a.m. At presenting his inventory list for the inquiry, Collard does add, "I produce a portion of the apron which deceased was apparently wearing which had been cut through and was found outside her dress."

[Beowulf]

Extract from the official list of Eddowes' clothing - I have included only those items on which cuts are mentioned, highlighting those sections:

Chintz Skirt, 3 flounces, brown button on waistband, jagged cut 6 1/2 inches long from waistband, left side of front, Edges slightly Bloodstained, also Blood on bottom back and front of skirt.

"Brown Linsey Dress Bodice, black velvet collar, brown metal buttons down front, blood inside & outside back of neck & shoulders, clean cut bottom of left side, 5 inches long from right to left.

Grey Stuff Petticoat, white waist band, cut 1 1/2 inches long, thereon in front at bottom of petticoat.

Very Old Green Alpaca Skirt, Jagged cut 10 1/2inches long in front of waistband downward, blood stained inside, front under cut.

Very Old Ragged Blue Skirt, red flounce, light twill lining, jagged cut 10 1/2 inches long, through waistband, downward, blood stained inside and out back and front.

White Calico Chemise, very much blood stained all over apparently torn thus in middle of front.

Mans White Vest, button to match down front, 2 outside pockets, torn at back, very much Blood stained at back. Blood and other stains on front.

1 piece of red gauze Silk, various cuts thereon found on neck.

2 Unbleached Calico Pockets, tape strings, cut through also top left hand corners, cut off one.

1 Blue Stripe Bed ticking Pocket, waist band, and strings cut through (all 3 pockets) Blood stained.

Regards, Bridewell.

He CUT through these clothes? He was a real monster, wasn't he? Reminds me of the viciousness of Lon Chaney as the werewolf, a sudden real burst of power and madness.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Hunter,

"1 piece of old white apron" sounds like a dish cloth.

I would have expected something more along the lines of "Full white apron with piece detached."

Regards,

Simon

[Hunter]

From the official list of Catherine Eddowes' clothing and possessions:

1 piece of old white apron

[Simon Wood]

Hi Bridewell,

No apron on Collard's list, I notice.

How did he miss this pivotal piece of evidence?

Regards,

Simon

[lynn cates]

thanks

Hello Colin. Thanks. You are a lovely bloke.

Cheers.
LC

[Bridewell]

The Cut Garments

Hello Barbara, Cris. I think there is an itemised list reproduced in Evans and Skinner's "Ultimate Companion." It also has the length of the cuts to the various articles of clothing.

Cheers.
LC

Extract from the official list of Eddowes' clothing - I have included only those items on which cuts are mentioned, highlighting those sections:

Chintz Skirt, 3 flounces, brown button on waistband, jagged cut 6 1/2 inches long from waistband, left side of front, Edges slightly Bloodstained, also Blood on bottom back and front of skirt.

"Brown Linsey Dress Bodice, black velvet collar, brown metal buttons down front, blood inside & outside back of neck & shoulders, clean cut bottom of left side, 5 inches long from right to left.

Grey Stuff Petticoat, white waist band, cut 1 1/2 inches long, thereon in front at bottom of petticoat.

Very Old Green Alpaca Skirt, Jagged cut 10 1/2inches long in front of waistband downward, blood stained inside, front under cut.

Very Old Ragged Blue Skirt, red flounce, light twill lining, jagged cut 10 1/2 inches long, through waistband, downward, blood stained inside and out back and front.

White Calico Chemise, very much blood stained all over apparently torn thus in middle of front.

Mans White Vest, button to match down front, 2 outside pockets, torn at back, very much Blood stained at back. Blood and other stains on front.

1 piece of red gauze Silk, various cuts thereon found on neck.

2 Unbleached Calico Pockets, tape strings, cut through also top left hand corners, cut off one.

1 Blue Stripe Bed ticking Pocket, waist band, and strings cut through (all 3 pockets) Blood stained.

Regards, Bridewell.

[lynn cates]

itemised list

Hello Barbara, Cris. I think there is an itemised list reproduced in Evans and Skinner's "Ultimate Companion." It also has the length of the cuts to the various articles of clothing.

Cheers.
LC

[Hunter]

Inspector Collard decribed how her clothes were cut in his written deposition for the Inquest.

[Beowulf]

I've looked at the crime scene sketch before, and of course the photograph of Eddoes but for some reason tonight I really realized how she was cut right down the middle.

Wondering how he managed to do that through her clothing. I saw the sketch here, (thanks for that!) and evidently he: cut through her dress? Spent a bit of time unbuttoning her dress? I think I read somewhere they threw the clothing out? Is there anything written as to how the dress became completely open?

It seems it would take even that much more time out of his busy and short schedule in Mitre Square, of which he got quite a lot done, anyway.

[waterloo]

hello all,

Looking at the paln pf mitre square it looks as though entry and exit can be gained via St James Place. I thought the only entry exit points were Church Passage and Mitre Street or was St james Place blocked somehow.

Thank you

Regards

Waterloo

[Steven Russell]

Thanks, all for the extra info. and pictures,

Steve.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

For those adult book devotees whose eyesight isn't what it used to be . . . .



Regards,

Simon

[Monty]

That's nice. Just like being in an adult book store. The good stuff kept out of view. Not that I would know about such tings.

Chris

Hey Chris,

When we viewed it some months back I got Rob to ask for it.

In return, I had to buy a copy of Razzle for him.

Monty

[ChrisGeorge]

The second map is kept behind the counter. If you ask them they will get it out for you to look at.

Rob

That's nice. Just like being in an adult book store. The good stuff kept out of view. Not that I would know about such tings.

Chris