"The Face Was Very Much Mutilated"

Hi cd,

Hope the knee is holding up well,...or at least the painkillers...

When you mention Mary and Kate in the same context, interesting that the name that occurs to Kate to use for pawning Johns boots Friday night, and when being discharged from Bishopsgate, just happens to be 2 variations of Mary Jane Kelly's name, one with an address on Dorset St.

I think what the killer took from Mary cannot be used to profile Jacks objectives, for one...because there is a good possibility she wasn't killed by him, and 2nd, ....the heart seems to me to indicate a connection, or desire for one, between killer and victim...and I don't see any signs of that relationship or desire possibility present in something like a kidney or a uterus, or a nose almost sliced off.

I think Polly was intended to be, and Annie and Kate were, donors.

My best regards cd.

[Doctor X]

Good questions that I do not think have much answers.

The picture of her after the autopsy--where her face is stitched together--demonstrates the extent of mutilation. There is a time constraint at play, and if you accept the Canonical Five [Tm.--Ed.] as all his work, it fits a progression. Mary Kelly's face is flayed in the photographs such that reconstruction of what she looked like is difficult. In that case he had all of the time.

So, was he limited by time?

That he took two uteri suggests that he wanted them for whatever reason. It could also be that they are easier organs to find and have an obvious sexual connection.

With all the discussion regarding his relative skill on a few other threads, I have to admit that the kidney is covered enough by the peritoneum--lining of the abdominal wall--and a fascia such that Jack would have to look or feel for it. Having written that, he only had to know the location--easily determined by looking at an atlas or if he ever hunted, acted as a butcher, et cetera.

So I do not know what conclusions one can draw that are not based on assumptions. Bond and Sequeira could be right. Phillips could be right. We have a hard time determining now.

Finally, if you accept Mary Kelly as his, he seems to be more interested in taking apart a woman at that point for whatever reason.

--J.D.

[c.d.]

I was reading the transcript of the Eddowes' inquest and I was struck by this quote from Dr. Frederick Gordon Brown who performed the autopsy -- "her face was very much mutilated." Note that he doesn't say that her face was cut or was severely cut or even mutilated. He says it was severely mutilated. In light of this, can anyone argue that the cuts to Mary's face were somehow personal? If so, then they would also have to be personal with regards to Kate would they not?

Also, both Dr. Bond and Dr. Sequeira gave their opinions that they believed that the killer had no particular design on any particular organ. If that is true, can we give any weight to the fact that different organs were removed from different victims? Or is it more likely that Jack was simply after organs and did not care which ones he took?

c.d.