1 red leather cigarette case with white metal fittings

[Suzi]

He he...or else Jack The Squitter!

[Observer]

Hi Bailey

Yes, I'd have thought that the apron was overlooked first time around.
Regarding the Galloping Gourmet, a dash of lea and perrins would have masked the taste.

all the best

Observer

[Bailey]

Hi Caz

Yes, I realised that it was a substantial piece of apron, the only other reason for it's removal other than as a substitute for a towel has already been mooted here in the past, namely as a means of transporting the organs that the killer removed from Kate Eddowes. This has it's problems of course, for what did the killer do with the organs once he discarded the apron section?

all the best

Observer

That could be an answer to the "missing hour" question - perhaps he went home, wherever that might be, unwrapped the kidney and put it wherever Victorians stored their fresh meat (say, half in a frying pan, half in spirits of wine for later posting ) then figured he'd better get rid of the evidence and nipped back out to drop it somewhere well away from home. This assumes that he had no fireplace in his dwelling, as the smarter plan would be to burn it.

Personally I'd still argue for the piece of apron simply not being noticed on an earlier beat as the logical reason for the missing hour, and I reserve the right to have no opinion whatsoever on who wrote the GSG, whilst still being peeved at its erasure before the photographer arrived.

And on a very gross thought, IF he transported the kidney in the piece of apron covered in blood and poo, and IF he then ate any of that kidney, here's hoping he washed it very well first...

Cheers,
B.

[Observer]

Hi Suzi

So you're saying the killer was 'The Cat's A**' then?? hehe

Yes, Korky the Killer

all the best

Observer

[KatBradshaw]

Oh and also as an early form of contraception.

[KatBradshaw]

I seem to remember reading that Tudor prostitutes would put wads of cloth in to themselves when they were menstruating so that they could still do business. Trouble is I think I read it in a rather dubious fictional book.

[Suzi]

Hi Kate



That's a good question, fine examination of the wall might just have revealed small traces of blood.

all the best

Observer

That of course would be after Warren and his Sponge Corps had done their worse!!!
And YES any self respecting dog or more to the point cat would have 'destroyed' the evidence without turning a whisker!

So you're saying the killer was 'The Cat's A**' then?? hehe

[Observer]

Hi Suzi

Probably dumped the 'organs' in the street to be eaten by the ravening hoardes of cats and dogs and shoved the pinny pice into a pocket or inside a jacket until dropping it at speed passing a doorway----failing to notice any writing in his haste!!!

Macnaghten wrote

The answer to the Jack the murders may have at one time lay at the bottom of the Thames.

With regard to your observation that the kidney was consumed by a passing dog we could add

The answer to the wherebouts of Kate eddowes kidney lay at one time below the bottom of a dog.

24 hours after he ate it of course.

all the best

Observer

[Suzi]

Right have a look at http://www.mum.org/whatwore.htm
Scary stuff there- also Cockney rhyming slang for a sanitary towel Ive just discovered is 'A Mortar and Trowel' ---OMG KFC may be right!!! (He he!)

[KatBradshaw]

Yeah I was just kidding over the victorian sanitary provisions.
I think that it is interesting that given that the graffito was quite widely examined there was no mention of blood which suggests that there wasn't any.

[Observer]

Hi Kate

It is possible that he found something to transport the kidney in in the area and so decided to dump the soiled cloth. I have to say I have always wondered why, if the graffito was genuine why was there no sign of blood on the wall. Surely Jack would have still been covered in the stuff even if it was only transfer from the apron.

That's a good question, fine examination of the wall might just have revealed small traces of blood.

all the best

Observer

[Suzi]

Kat- Such 'er luxury was certainly not available to the poor souls in Spitalfields- In fact I must check out how the 'er Upper orders coped with such matters at the time- presumably the good Dr White wasn't in practice at the time!

I imagine that they used 'rags' for the purpose -to be washed by the downstairs staff as a matter of course!

[KatBradshaw]

Maybe they were as horrified that the shop bought ones were subject to VAT as 'luxury' items as I am. Only a man could consider it a luxury!
I never put 2 and 2 together over the pieces of cloth and their use. That seems truely pathetic to me.

[Suzi]

Hi Caz



Yes, I realised that it was a substantial piece of apron, the only other reason for it's removal other than as a substitute for a towel has already been mooted here in the past, namely as a means of transporting the organs that the killer removed from Kate Eddowes. This has it's problems of course, for what did the killer do with the organs once he discarded the apron section?

all the best

Observer

Probably dumped the 'organs' in the street to be eaten by the ravening hoardes of cats and dogs and shoved the pinny pice into a pocket or inside a jacket until dropping it at speed passing a doorway----failing to notice any writing in his haste!!!

[Suzi]

Hi Observer-

Yes as you say the concept of Kate using her pieces of rag etc for shall we say menstrural reasons has been considered and debated here before.....
I doubt that she was in the habit of using her apron though...a) Not a good move! and b) she had the ubiquitous '12 pieces of rag- some bloodstained 'about her'

I cannot be disuaded from the idea that's what she- and many others probably did...maybe hoping to clean them up later....or at some point.....

....Of course following the discovery of the Pinchin Street Torso -a piece of blood stained apron was also found relatively close to the 'er Torso - however that was - upon police examination- found to have been used as a 'towel' - sad but true-

.....Needs must when 'the devil' drives

Suzi