What if Goulston St Graffito was photographed?

[Abby Normal]

I'm not sure I agree with that. Although I really doubt it was written by the killer and as I've said before even if it was written by the killer all it does is prove that the killer was either Jewish or not Jewish.

Hi John

well I disagree somewhat. I think the events of that night, the ripper being seen by several jewish witnesses, being pissed off about it (lipski!) lends to it being written by a non jewish killer and basically being negative toward jews. and if photographed, the police could use it to compare to other writings from a suspect.

Re bury-Ive seen examples of his handwriting and was impressed by how good it was. Now, not sure if it could be described as "good schoolboy hand", but it is definitely good. and we know he wasn't a jew.

Do we know if Bury ever wrote or said any thing anti jewish??

[GUT]

Hi Abbey,

Whats "OP"?

OP= opening statement?

opening post

Or the person who made it, depends on context.

[Abby Normal]

Hi Abbey,

Whats "OP"?

OP= opening statement?

opening post

[Abby Normal]

Hi,
Forget number 2.
When has anyone's chalk writing looked anything like their normal pen and paper writing.?

Regards

mine and I'm pretty sure everyone elses too. at least very similar

[dantheman]

Hi,
Forget number 2.
When has anyone's chalk writing looked anything like their normal pen and paper writing.?

Regards

May look a bit sloppier in chalk, however there may be distinct similarities. I wouldn't want to disregard it, especially if I was working the case.

Best Regards,

Dan

[spyglass]

Hi,
Forget number 2.
When has anyone's chalk writing looked anything like their normal pen and paper writing.?

Regards

[dantheman]

Hi John
Dan in the OP

Hi Abbey,

Whats "OP"?

OP= opening statement?

[dantheman]

Considering there was a lot of this sort of Graffiti in the area at the time was it even written by the killer?

Well that's why I wrote assuming the ripper wrote the message.

Best Regards,

Dan

[John Wheat]

Hi John
Dan in the OP



but anyway, the lots of graffiti around argument is probably the weakest argument against it bein written by the killer.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Although I really doubt it was written by the killer and as I've said before even if it was written by the killer all it does is prove that the killer was either Jewish or not Jewish.

[Harry D]

Still cannot believe that potential evidence was willfully destroyed by the authorities. "Crass stupidity" was the description given by Sir Robert Anderson, and he wasn't wrong. Charles Warren wasn't covering for the Freemasons, but his sympathies for Zionism make you wonder.

[Abby Normal]

Considering there was a lot of this sort of Graffiti in the area at the time was it even written by the killer?

Hi John
Dan in the OP

Assuming the ripper wrote the Goulston St message

but anyway, the lots of graffiti around argument is probably the weakest argument against it bein written by the killer.

[John Wheat]

Assuming the ripper wrote the Goulston St message and Charles Warren had it photographed before washing it out, it's my opinion we may have been able to determine the following:

1) Possible height of murderer.

2) Compare handwriting samples with numerous letters and other documents with known suspects.

3) Maybe get a better idea of the rippers possible trade. (How common was it for the average person in East End to have chalk? Also, would a specific trade enable a person access to chalk such as a butcher, medical student, Doctor, upholsterer, etc.

4) Potential education level of murderer based on grammar of the graffito.

5) Possibly more accurate radius of killers residence or place of business based on the rippers exit route.

Interested to hear other thoughts on this topic.

Considering there was a lot of this sort of Graffiti in the area at the time was it even written by the killer?

[Abby Normal]

Assuming the ripper wrote the Goulston St message and Charles Warren had it photographed before washing it out, it's my opinion we may have been able to determine the following:

1) Possible height of murderer.

2) Compare handwriting samples with numerous letters and other documents with known suspects.

3) Maybe get a better idea of the rippers possible trade. (How common was it for the average person in East End to have chalk? Also, would a specific trade enable a person access to chalk such as a butcher, medical student, Doctor, upholsterer, etc.

4) Potential education level of murderer based on grammar of the graffito.

5) Possibly more accurate radius of killers residence or place of business based on the rippers exit route.

Interested to hear other thoughts on this topic.

number two most relevant

[dantheman]

Hi Dan,

In response to the above;

1. The height of the writing from the ground wouldn't give us any real data, unless of course one assumes he was writing at eye level while standing.

2. Due to the uneven surface of the wall, and the height of the writing, there wouldn't be a real opportunity to view the handwriting as something that the author was capable of.

3. Chalk was used by shopkeepers, tailors, teachers, and likely a myriad of other occupations.

4. The grammar could have been intentionally misleading.

5. The writing, and apron section, were not found until over 1 hour after the murder and therefore...not necessarily in the direction the killers residence. In fact, he could have lived up to 20 minutes to 1/2 hour North, South or West of Mitre Square.

What they did by erasing the writing is eliminate any possibility of anyone ever disputing the message contents....although they didn't end the debate on spelling apparently.

Thanks for clarifying that. I missed the part about message being 36-48 in from the ground. However I still think it would've been beneficial to compare the handwriting and other grammar mistakes, even if they were intentional. One things for certain, if we did have that message photographed it would definatley lead to more speculation.

Best Regards,

Dan

[Michael W Richards]

Assuming the ripper wrote the Goulston St message and Charles Warren had it photographed before washing it out, it's my opinion we may have been able to determine the following:

1) Possible height of murderer.

2) Compare handwriting samples with numerous letters and other documents with known suspects.

3) Maybe get a better idea of the rippers possible trade. (How common was it for the average person in East End to have chalk? Also, would a specific trade enable a person access to chalk such as a butcher, medical student, Doctor, upholsterer, etc.

4) Potential education level of murderer based on grammar of the graffito.

5) Possibly more accurate radius of killers residence or place of business based on the rippers exit route.

Interested to hear other thoughts on this topic.

Hi Dan,

In response to the above;

1. The height of the writing from the ground wouldn't give us any real data, unless of course one assumes he was writing at eye level while standing.

2. Due to the uneven surface of the wall, and the height of the writing, there wouldn't be a real opportunity to view the handwriting as something that the author was capable of.

3. Chalk was used by shopkeepers, tailors, teachers, and likely a myriad of other occupations.

4. The grammar could have been intentionally misleading.

5. The writing, and apron section, were not found until over 1 hour after the murder and therefore...not necessarily in the direction the killers residence. In fact, he could have lived up to 20 minutes to 1/2 hour North, South or West of Mitre Square.

What they did by erasing the writing is eliminate any possibility of anyone ever disputing the message contents....although they didn't end the debate on spelling apparently.