Annie's last meal

[Ms Diddles]

I'm interested in the significance of Annie's last known meal and reasonable opinions as to what has happened here.

What is known is as follows:

1) Annie finishes her potatoes around 1.45am.
2) Annie leaves Dorset Street with the express purpose of getting her doss money and telling them not to let her bed. In her own words.
3) Dr Phillips: "little food in the stomach"
4) Potato is an easily digested food, the consensus being within an hour.

On point 4. There is no use in going 'round this discussion in the event you can reasonably show that Annie could quite conceivably have had potatoes as her last meal at 1.45am and murdered at 5.30am, with 'little food in the stomach'. Nobody wants to go 'round a pointless exercise. So, any scientific evidence to suggest that potatoes could reasonably have not been fully digested within the best part of four hours, please post it. On the other hand, don't simply post links. Substantiate the post, i.e. sample size, food digested and so on, so that it can be accepted that there is research out there which makes this a pointless discussion.

My belief is that around 3am the last people are coming in off the streets to go to bed (where they have a bed to go to). This is the case in the Mary witness statements, and whether or not you believe he was there, George Hutchinson has in his mind that after 2am it's quietish. I can't remember which of the witnesses said this in Mary's case, but one of the women who lived in Miller's Court said something like McCarthy's shop could be open until 3am. I think we're getting to the general, approximate time where there is no market for food because the vast majority of people are off the streets.

I'm looking at this and I'm thinking: Annie finished eating approx. 1.45am, she leaves her lodging house to find her doss money and tells them not to let her bed, in the event she gets a client who isn't her murderer, before 3am, does she use that money to buy food or go back to her lodging house? In my mind, given that she has eaten around an hour previously, she goes back to her lodging house. The conclusion being that eating again before 3am is unreasonable, and after 3am there doesn't appear to be a market for shops selling food being open.

Assuming the TOD is approx. 5.30am, then she will have eaten again somewhere around 4.15am (in the absence of science to suggest otherwise). From where exactly does she get this food and why, given provision of food has never been prerequisite for street prostitution?

I appreciate there are thousands of possibilities, but what I'm interested in is something reasonable. I'm just not seeing it.

Hi FM!

To my mind one possible solution is that when eating the baked potato in the lodging house kitchen, she pocketed an extra one for later consumption.

That would be consistent with what someone who didn't know where their next meal was coming from may do.

Pure speculation of course, but I'd say it's a reasonable possibility.....

[Fleetwood Mac]

I'm interested in the significance of Annie's last known meal and reasonable opinions as to what has happened here.

What is known is as follows:

1) Annie finishes her potatoes around 1.45am.
2) Annie leaves Dorset Street with the express purpose of getting her doss money and telling them not to let her bed. In her own words.
3) Dr Phillips: "little food in the stomach"
4) Potato is an easily digested food, the consensus being within an hour.

On point 4. There is no use in going 'round this discussion in the event you can reasonably show that Annie could quite conceivably have had potatoes as her last meal at 1.45am and murdered at 5.30am, with 'little food in the stomach'. Nobody wants to go 'round a pointless exercise. So, any scientific evidence to suggest that potatoes could reasonably have not been fully digested within the best part of four hours, please post it. On the other hand, don't simply post links. Substantiate the post, i.e. sample size, food digested and so on, so that it can be accepted that there is research out there which makes this a pointless discussion.

My belief is that around 3am the last people are coming in off the streets to go to bed (where they have a bed to go to). This is the case in the Mary witness statements, and whether or not you believe he was there, George Hutchinson has in his mind that after 2am it's quietish. I can't remember which of the witnesses said this in Mary's case, but one of the women who lived in Miller's Court said something like McCarthy's shop could be open until 3am. I think we're getting to the general, approximate time where there is no market for food because the vast majority of people are off the streets.

I'm looking at this and I'm thinking: Annie finished eating approx. 1.45am, she leaves her lodging house to find her doss money and tells them not to let her bed, in the event she gets a client who isn't her murderer, before 3am, does she use that money to buy food or go back to her lodging house? In my mind, given that she has eaten around an hour previously, she goes back to her lodging house. The conclusion being that eating again before 3am is unreasonable, and after 3am there doesn't appear to be a market for shops selling food being open.

Assuming the TOD is approx. 5.30am, then she will have eaten again somewhere around 4.15am (in the absence of science to suggest otherwise). From where exactly does she get this food and why, given provision of food has never been prerequisite for street prostitution?

I appreciate there are thousands of possibilities, but what I'm interested in is something reasonable. I'm just not seeing it.