John Richardson sitting on the step

[RockySullivan]

Can anyone tell me about the rumor mentioned in "letters from hell" that chapman was served at a public house in spitalfields market around 5am? Sorry if this is an obvious question

[Rosella]

Is that the rumour told to a journalist by one of the bar staff at the Ten Bells pub? A woman resembling Annie's description was seen drinking at the pub at about 5am by a member of staff, who saw a man with a small skull cap poke his head round the door and call her out, though this was never confirmed.

[RockySullivan]

Is that the rumour told to a journalist by one of the bar staff at the Ten Bells pub? A woman resembling Annie's description was seen drinking at the pub at about 5am by a member of staff, who saw a man with a small skull cap poke his head round the door and call her out, though this was never confirmed.

Thanks rosella! Interesting connection since Richardson was just getting to work at 5. Not suggesting anything I'm not sure exactly how close the ten bells is to the market where richardson worked

[Trevor Marriott]

Is that the rumour told to a journalist by one of the bar staff at the Ten Bells pub? A woman resembling Annie's description was seen drinking at the pub at about 5am by a member of staff, who saw a man with a small skull cap poke his head round the door and call her out, though this was never confirmed.

I don't think pubs were able to sell alcohol at 5am

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[Trevor Marriott]

Cool ginger pretty neat! Mrs richardson said many tenants in the building worked at spitalfields market and left very early in the morning. The cellar was john richardsons workshop alrhought I'm not sure what he worked on down there? It seems like richardson would be able to kill out there in the backyard safely knowing the activity of the tenants very well and having reason to be there

You don't kill in your own back yard !!!!

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[RockySullivan]

You don't kill in your own back yard !!!!

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

But you might in mother's!

[Rosella]

I thought that certain pubs near to large markets were and are given certain concessions so market traders and porters up very early in the morning could get a drink. I'm almost certain this still happens today. The Ten Bells was/is opposite Spitalfields market.

[Amanda]

Exactly..

I thought that certain pubs near to large markets were and are given certain concessions so market traders and porters up very early in the morning could get a drink. I'm almost certain this still happens today. The Ten Bells was/is opposite Spitalfields market.

That's exactly right Rosella.

In fact, the drink 'stout' used to be called 'stout porter' due to it's popularity as a breakfast tipple for street and river porters.

Amanda

[RockySullivan]

So would the ripper have been on the steps while cutting annie? Richardson had his feet on the ground.

[GUT]

That's exactly right Rosella.

In fact, the drink 'stout' used to be called 'stout porter' due to it's popularity as a breakfast tipple for street and river porters.

Amanda

Minor correction but I recall it being "porter stout" but no memory of it ever being "stout porter".

[Rosella]

Cool ginger pretty neat! Mrs richardson said many tenants in the building worked at spitalfields market and left very early in the morning. The cellar was john richardsons workshop alrhought I'm not sure what he worked on down there? It seems like richardson would be able to kill out there in the backyard safely knowing the activity of the tenants very well and having reason to be there

The cellar was Mrs Richardson's workshop. She and her husband had been box makers and she carried on his work after her husband's death. John Richardson only helped out in the business when he could. He would just check the locks to the cellar door in the morning. Amelia Richardson also had an assistant called Tyler.

[The Good Michael]

GUT,

It's Stout porter. It's porter and actually stout is a shortened name of stout porter. In reality, there is no 'stout' but only 'porter' with 'stout' being the adjective.

Mike

[GUT]

Interesting you say that, and I admit my memory is perhaps wrong, but here is an interesting article on the difference between stout and porter.

http://www.beerconnoisseur.com/porter-versus-stout

[The Good Michael]

Interesting you say that, and I admit my memory is perhaps wrong, but here is an interesting article on the difference between stout and porter.

http://www.beerconnoisseur.com/porter-versus-stout

Gut,

Now there's a difference, but I'm talking about originally and the conventions are different these days . Orginally it was all porter. I home-brewed for a long time, so I studied the history at some point though it may be hazy.

Mike

[Amanda]

Mmm...

Hi Gut,
Definitely stout porter originally, you must be too young to remember..

The name was changed to just 'stout' in the 1860's.
When I took my licensee's exam, there was a section about children drinking in restaurants & it actually refers to 'porter' being one of the acceptable drinks for children to have if they're eating in a pub's restaurant area.
Amanda