Annie's rings

[Harry D]

Jacob Levy was a kleptomaniac. Just sayin'.

[lynn cates]

No trespassing.

Hello Batman. Thanks.

Indeed. But she did not trespass into a private back yard so to do.

Cheers.
LC

[Batman]

Hello Batman. Thanks.

"Pure survival of starving alcoholics in extreme poverty finding a dead body with items of small value = If they can, they will."

Why is this starving person in the back yard of #29? How did s/he get there? Aware of the passageway and confident of non-intervention?

"I'm pretty sure arguments about theft were plentiful in that house."

Why so sure? I have no evidence nor yet information about that.

Cheers.
LC

It was a lodging house with lots of people including obviously strangers who could murder in the back yard.

It seems Chapman didn't return a bar of soap which led to a fight. Is that not theft?

[lynn cates]

Whence?

Hello Batman. Thanks.

"Pure survival of starving alcoholics in extreme poverty finding a dead body with items of small value = If they can, they will."

Why is this starving person in the back yard of #29? How did s/he get there? Aware of the passageway and confident of non-intervention?

"I'm pretty sure arguments about theft were plentiful in that house."

Why so sure? I have no evidence nor yet information about that.

Cheers.
LC

[Batman]

Hello Batman. On her.

"then it seems Chapman's body was looted after she was discovered dead."

Not necessarily. Why could not her assailant have taken them? They were worthless, true; but, why assume a sane man did the deed?

Cheers.
LC

Pure survival of starving alcoholics in extreme poverty finding a dead body with items of small value = If they can, they will.

I pretty sure arguments about theft where plentiful in that house.

[lynn cates]

ring of truth

Hello Batman. On her.

"then it seems Chapman's body was looted after she was discovered dead."

Not necessarily. Why could not her assailant have taken them? They were worthless, true; but, why assume a sane man did the deed?

Cheers.
LC

[RockySullivan]

On Nichols was found a comb, broken mirror, and a handkerchief. Was this found beside Nichols or on her?

Chapman seems to be the only one with items laid beside her body that aren't organs. If this is the case, then it seems Chapman's body was looted after she was discovered dead.

Another indication that the ripped was thief or a mugger. Whoever broke into the new Scotland Yard was probably a burgurlar. The ripper attacks look like muggings

[Batman]

On Nichols was found a comb, broken mirror, and a handkerchief. Was this found beside Nichols or on her?

Chapman seems to be the only one with items laid beside her body that aren't organs. If this is the case, then it seems Chapman's body was looted after she was discovered dead.

[Michael W Richards]

Hopefully we one day can end contributions that submit Peter Sutcliffes crimes as our model to use when analysing the so-called Ripper murders, or any known, identified, convicted and jailed serial killers.

When if ever its established that ANY Canonical murder was connected to a single killer, then they may be of some use. For the moment its just speculative comparison page filler information.

Cheers

[GUT]

Hi GUT,

Thanks for pointing that out! Feel a bit of a plonker now...

Amanda

Well don't.

[Amanda]

Sorry,

In fact until today the last post on this thread was 5 years ago.

Hi GUT,

Thanks for pointing that out! Feel a bit of a plonker now...

Amanda

[GUT]

In fact until today the last post on this thread was 5 years ago.

[GUT]

Hi Lovejoy,
No offence intended here but I'm having difficulty reading your posts. I'm going to risk sounding like an ancient schoolteacher now but....

Could you pop in some capital letters in the appropriate places please & perhaps leave a one line space between each idea?
Would be so much easier to follow.... Interesting topic though..

Amanda

G'day Amanda

Lovejoy last posted nearly 5 years ago.

[Amanda]

No offence...

hi thanks for your input , it was factual information and helpfull , the rings i agree are not concrete evidence but are defitinitely another small piece , and when loads of small pieces appear together, you get even without dna etc, a big pointer , i take for instance the case of peter sutcliffe , the yorkshire ripper,imagine he wasnt ever convicted and just stopped before last attack when caught , the scenario would be similar now to jtr with tyr .And when you **** through what was know to police upto the point of his arrest , the pointers were there , also people would still say it wasnt him also, based on alibis his wife gave him. so we should bear it in mind when trying to solve this jtr case just a point lol.too many people on here try to think too logically and because they arent serial killers cannot try to think like one . although they try to be clever , they arent logical always , another point which is true, the rings were stolen ,probable as gold ,but remember he had to be quick so he made a mistake pure and simple , no why did he take them when they are worthless, or trophies etc he stole from victims thats a fact, and also my opinion thank you martin

Hi Lovejoy,
No offence intended here but I'm having difficulty reading your posts. I'm going to risk sounding like an ancient schoolteacher now but....

Could you pop in some capital letters in the appropriate places please & perhaps leave a one line space between each idea?
Would be so much easier to follow.... Interesting topic though..

Amanda

[SirJohnFalstaff]

Like I said in another thread, if you read the inquest, there are no mentions of the rings, missing or present, before the body is at the "morgue". And it's a workhouse facility, not a real morgue, and when the doctor arrived to practice the autopsy, the body had already been stripped and washed. A police officer was there, but by the way he answers the question, you can tell he wasn't really paying attention to the body attending Chapman's corpse.


I think it's quite possible that the rings went missing after the body was found, and Chapman's murderer has nothing to do with it. That's my angle so far.