Dr. Tumblety's Genealogical Records

[Lee Freeman]

Hello all. I'm new to this forum, though have visited the site numerous times. This is a fantastic site.

I'm also intrigued with Tumblety as a suspect, whether or not he committed the Ripper murders (and I'm not concinced yet) he was a very interesting character.

In my job I'm a historian and genealogist. Last year I began looking for genealogical records on Tumblety in my spare time; I was simply curious to see what I could find. Just this week I've discovered some records that I'm not sure whether anyone else has located or not (if so, then everyone just ignore this). So, to that end, here's what I've found:

The Tumblety family's 1850 census Rochester, Monroe County, New York, enumeration, however that's been posted here.

I also located Margaret Tumilty's 1860 federal census enumeration, Rochester, Monroe County.

Mary Tumblety's 1870 census enumeration, Rochester, Monroe County.

James Tumilty's 1880 census enumeration, Rochester, Monroe County.

Patrick Tumilty's 1900 census enumeration, Troy, Rensselaer County, New York.

James P. Tumilty's 1910 Rochester, Monroe County enumeration.

I also discovered Dr. Tumblety's Feb. 17, 1866 St. Louis US IRS Income Tax Assessment. He was listed as Francis Tumblety, the street address is given as 50 Olive Street, and the tax assessment appears to be $3.33.

Finally, I've located a Dr. Francis Tumblety in 1900 Baltimore City, Baltimore County, Maryland census emueration. He''s listed as a boarder in Mrs. Catherine Howard's house on North Liberty Street. No age or birthdate is given for Tumblety, however he is enumerated as Francis Tumblety, single, physician, who can read, write and speak English, born in Maryland, with his parents being born in Ireland. His age not being recorded is probably a simple copying error-the transcriber making the copy from the orig. probably just skipped it by accident, because usually if an age/birthdate is unknown, they'd write "unknown" in that space. Assuming this is the right Tumblety, was his birthplace being Maryland part of one of Tumblety's aliases, or was it simply a mistake of the enumerator or of Mrs. Howard, who as head of the household was supposed to answer the census-taker's questions? Maybe she didn't know he was Irish and said Maryland, or maybe he lied and told her Maryland? Is this our Dr. Tumblety?

I also have a copy of Tumblety's death certificate.

I suspect there's much more in Rochester County on the Tumblety/Tumilty family. Unfortunately I'm in Alabama and the Rochester County GenWeb site doesn't have a whole lot of records on-line yet.

Has anyone out there in these forums done any genealogical research on the good Doctor and his family? Esp. anyone with access to the records in Rochester? I think genealogical records might help fill in some of the gaps in his origins and background. I'm interested in swapping information if anyone else has any.

Thanks.

Lee Freeman.

[jmenges]

Hello Mr. Freeman,

Thank you for posting your findings above and please check your Private Messages.

JM

[Stewart P Evans]

Very Interesting

In my job I'm a historian and genealogist. Last year I began looking for genealogical records on Tumblety in my spare time; I was simply curious to see what I could find. Just this week I've discovered some records that I'm not sure whether anyone else has located or not (if so, then everyone just ignore this). So, to that end, here's what I've found:
The Tumblety family's 1850 census Rochester, Monroe County, New York, enumeration, however that's been posted here.
I also located Margaret Tumilty's 1860 federal census enumeration, Rochester, Monroe County.
Mary Tumblety's 1870 census enumeration, Rochester, Monroe County.
James Tumilty's 1880 census enumeration, Rochester, Monroe County.
Patrick Tumilty's 1900 census enumeration, Troy, Rensselaer County, New York.
James P. Tumilty's 1910 Rochester, Monroe County enumeration.
I also discovered Dr. Tumblety's Feb. 17, 1866 St. Louis US IRS Income Tax Assessment. He was listed as Francis Tumblety, the street address is given as 50 Olive Street, and the tax assessment appears to be $3.33.
Finally, I've located a Dr. Francis Tumblety in 1900 Baltimore City, Baltimore County, Maryland census emueration. He''s listed as a boarder in Mrs. Catherine Howard's house on North Liberty Street. No age or birthdate is given for Tumblety, however he is enumerated as Francis Tumblety, single, physician, who can read, write and speak English, born in Maryland, with his parents being born in Ireland. His age not being recorded is probably a simple copying error-the transcriber making the copy from the orig. probably just skipped it by accident, because usually if an age/birthdate is unknown, they'd write "unknown" in that space. Assuming this is the right Tumblety, was his birthplace being Maryland part of one of Tumblety's aliases, or was it simply a mistake of the enumerator or of Mrs. Howard, who as head of the household was supposed to answer the census-taker's questions? Maybe she didn't know he was Irish and said Maryland, or maybe he lied and told her Maryland? Is this our Dr. Tumblety?
I also have a copy of Tumblety's death certificate.
I suspect there's much more in Rochester County on the Tumblety/Tumilty family. Unfortunately I'm in Alabama and the Rochester County GenWeb site doesn't have a whole lot of records on-line yet.
Has anyone out there in these forums done any genealogical research on the good Doctor and his family? Esp. anyone with access to the records in Rochester? I think genealogical records might help fill in some of the gaps in his origins and background. I'm interested in swapping information if anyone else has any.
Thanks.
Lee Freeman.

Very interesting post Lee. A Rochester NY genealogist did a lot of research on Tumblety back in 1995-96 and below is the enumeration form he sent me at that time. He wrote a big article on Tumblety and found other relevant material that he sent. We also obtained Tumblety's death certificate and other records in 1995.

[Lee Freeman]

Very interesting post Lee. A Rochester NY genealogist did a lot of research on Tumblety back in 1995-96 and below is the enumeration form he sent me at that time. He wrote a big article on Tumblety and found other relevant material that he sent. We also obtained Tumblety's death certificate and other records in 1995.

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That's the material here at Casebook, right? I read over it several times. It gave me clues to search for other records. If you'd like I can send you scans of any of the records I discovered or I can try to post scans of them here in the forum. I'll have to figure out how to do that, but I think I read a FAC or help file on that here somewhere.

I figured I was going over ground that others had already been over but figured I'd post my findings here anyway just in case.

Lee.

[perrymason]

I think this man is easily one of the more interesting suspects attached to these cases Lee...as do some earlier posters, who have broadened our knowledge of him.

Ive never come across much about his time in both Montreal and Toronto, there is more available on his time down in the Canadian Maritimes, likely due to the poisoning charges brought against him there.

Being a Torontonian Id be interested in any information of his business dealings here, if anyone has some. Thanks in advance if so.

ps......Im personally fascinated with the reported contents of his vest pocket, found when itemizing his effects.

Best regards all.

[Lee Freeman]

I think this man is easily one of the more interesting suspects attached to these cases Lee...as do some earlier posters, who have broadened our knowledge of him.

Ive never come across much about his time in both Montreal and Toronto, there is more available on his time down in the Canadian Maritimes, likely due to the poisoning charges brought against him there.

Being a Torontonian Id be interested in any information of his business dealings here, if anyone has some. Thanks in advance if so.

ps......Im personally fascinated with the reported contents of his vest pocket, found when itemizing his effects.

Best regards all.

Yes, regardless of whether he was JTR or not (and I'm personally not convinced yet), the guy's still a fascinating character. I have a feeling there are more records out there about him that simply haven't been discovered yet.

Lee.

[Lee Freeman]

Thought I'd try my hand at posting image attachments. Here's Dr. Tumblety's 1866 IRS Tax assessment, St. Louis, MO. He was listed as Francis Tumblety, physician, and the street address is given as 50 Olive Street, and the tax assessment appears to be $3.33. The original image is too small to read here so I enlarged and cropped Tumblety's entry.

Lee.

[Lee Freeman]

Here's the full image of the above.



Lee.

[Lee Freeman]

The full entry is: Francis Tumblety, physician, the street address is given as 50 Oline [?] Street, the quanity of taxation was 4 months, and the rate of tax appears to be $10, with the total assessment being $3.33. The original image is too small to read here so I enlarged and cropped Tumblety's entry.

These records are part of record group 58, Records of the Internal Revenue Service, in the National Archives.

The Internal Revenue Act of 1862 was intended "to provide Internal Revenue to support the Government and to pay Interest on the Public Debt." Among other things, an annual tax was levied on all income in excess of $600, and legacies and distributive shares of personal property were made taxable.

These records have been microfilmed and are also available at Ancestry.com.

Lee.