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  • Tumblety's Fenian Connections

    Hi All,

    In an oft-quoted extract from the San Francisco Chronicle, 20th November 1888, Clement R. Bennett told of remembering Tumblety from the 1870s—

    "About 1871 he roomed at the Northern Hotel, on Cortlandt Street. Here he had a magnificent suite of rooms, the floors of which were covered with well-worn leather trunks, valises and bags. He cordially invited any young men whom he fancied, wherever he met them, in the parks, squares or stores, to call upon him at this hotel, where he was wont to say he would show them 'an easy road to fortune.' By his suavity he was successful beyond comprehension in enlisting and securing the attendance, at certain hours of the day and evening, of good-looking young men and boys, greenhorns, to 'walk into my parlor.' He pretended to be a 'specialist' and to have a cure for some of the ills which flesh is heir to."

    I don't know what Clement R. Bennet classed as magnificent, but it is interesting to note that the Northern Hotel was a notorious boarding house in one of New York's waterfront districts, at the corner of Cortlandt Street and West Street, directly by the Hudson River piers.

    In 1871 the Northern Hotel was managed by the newly-arrived Irish Nationalist and Fenian sympathiser Jeremiah O'Donovan Rossa who, in 1872, took over the lease for a few years before selling up to run the Chatham Hotel near New York's notorious Five Points district.

    From the Northern Hotel Rossa also ran an unlicensed discount travel and ticket agency which by 1877 he had moved to offices at 263 Broadway.

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    All in all, the Northern Hotel, New York, was an interesting choice of accommodation for Dr. Francis Tumblety.

    Regards,

    Simon
    Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

  • #2
    eagle eye

    Hello Simon. Thanks for posting this.

    Zounds, makes one wonder if he were keeping an eye on Rossa? Of course, this predates Sir Ed's rather colourful regime by a good bit.

    So who would be paying Tumblety for any services rendered?

    Cheers.
    LC

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    • #3
      Hi Lynn,

      I suspect that details of any such activities may have been contained in Littlechild's "large dossier concerning him at Scotland Yard."

      If in November 1888 Tumblety returned to America with a view to continuing whatever political chicanery he may have been involved in, the matter of his homosexuality being played down by dint of a bogus Jack the Ripper smokescreen starts to make perfect sense.

      Maybe he was working for the British.

      Who knows?

      Regards,

      Simon
      Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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      • #4
        Hi Simon and Lynn,

        Interestingly, this is around the same time Tumblety began his European trips. I wonder if there's a connection?

        Sincerely,

        Mike
        The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
        http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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        • #5
          Hi All,

          It wasn't all dinner at the Ritz with Tumblety. Another hotel on West Street by the Hudson River popped up in the course of his saga.

          The following is courtesy of Roger Palmer [Casebook Dissertations]—

          An obscure national tabloid, The Evening Chronicle [St. Louis, 6th December, 1888], published a short interview with a Mr. Roberts, the proprietor of the Cornish Arms, a rundown hotel at 11 West Street. Roberts's account strongly suggests that Tumblety had, in fact, given everyone the slip the very night he landed in New York.

          "A man came to my house Sunday evening [December 2]," Roberts told the reporter, "and gave the name of Dr. Tomanly. He said he came on the French Line steamer Bretagne. This morning he came downstairs and said that he had concluded to go out of town. I did not think anything of his going at the time until I read the evening papers that such a man was being sought after, and then the thought struck me that perhaps he was the doctor who has been suspected of being the Whitechapel fiend."

          The Cornish Arms Hotel appears to have had Irish connections.

          NY Times, 25th November 1887—

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          The hotel also featured in a later bomb-throwing incident.

          Brooklyn Daily Eagle, 6th December 1891—

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          Regards,

          Simon
          Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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          • #6
            ...and is it not true Simon that the path he most likely took out of England was also the method used by Fenians?

            Sincerely,

            Mike
            The Ripper's Haunts/JtR Suspect Dr. Francis Tumblety (Sunbury Press)
            http://www.michaelLhawley.com

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            • #7
              Hi Mike,

              New York to Le Havre was a transatlantic route used by General FF Millen amongst others.

              Le Havre was a major port heaving with French and British security, including at the time William Melville, Littlechild's successor, yet we are asked to believe that the bail-jumping "Ripper suspect" Francis Tumblety—all six-foot two of him, sporting a moustache wider than the wingspan of an albatross—gave them all the slip and boarded La Bretagne.

              It all sounds pretty unlikely to me.

              Regards,

              Simon
              Last edited by Simon Wood; 08-18-2012, 08:26 PM. Reason: spolling mistook
              Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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              • #8
                cover

                Hello Simon. Thanks. Do you recall what Sir Ed did for Red Jim when his cover was blown?

                Now, class, compare and contrast. (heh-heh)

                Cheers.
                LC

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                • #9
                  Phoenix Park

                  Hello Mike. Thanks. Wish it were AFTER Sir Ed set up his operation--post Phoenix Park.

                  Cheers.
                  LC

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                  • #10
                    get out of town

                    Hello (again) Simon. Tumblety's flight reminds one of Llewellyn Winter's flight to Paris after being tipped by Sir Ed.

                    Cheers.
                    LC

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                    • #11
                      Hi Lynn,

                      I think we'll eventually discover that Francis Tumblety received a complimentary HMG "Get Out of Jail Free" card.

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                      Oh look! He's even got the Good Doctor's moustache.

                      Regards,

                      Simon
                      Never believe anything until it has been officially denied.

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                      • #12
                        something's afoot

                        Hello Simon. Thanks. Yes, same moustache. But looks like he may be a foot fetishist. (heh-heh)

                        Cheers.
                        LC

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                        • #13
                          Tumbletys will finally settled.



                          New York Times Jan 12 1908

                          Cardinal Gibbons has been described as a fenian sympathiser but my albeit brief research points to his moderacy. I do note that the IRB had the full attention of special branch (ie they had been infiltrated) from 1865 onwards though the movement still managed a major incursion into Canada in 1866.
                          As usual more questions than answers.

                          Snapper
                          Last edited by The Snapper; 06-20-2014, 07:54 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Lets try that again.
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