Was Tumblety in Jail during the Kelly Murder?

[Roy Corduroy]

It's a Holiday !

posters now change the goaplosts by completely disregarding the above theories and now are clinging to a misguided belief that Tumblety was bailed by the magistrate on Nov 7th.

Change the goalposts?

You are declaring a one day holiday. From skepticism.

For just one day we are supposed to believe the authorities actually followed the rules shared in your article. These members of the justice system including the police, who are mocked and ridiculed every day of the year on Casebook. For just one day we believe. Then the next day we go back to not believing. Not believing the police reports or anything else about the authority figures.

Everybody needs just one day when you let it all hang out.

Roy

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

It's interesting to note that, according to the New York Sun, Monday 19th November 1888, Tumblety was arrested on suspicion of the Whitechapel murders on Saturday 17th November, the day after he was bailed pending an Old Bailey appearance on charges of gross indecency.



Darn those pesky US newspaper reports.

Regards,

Simon

[Dr. John Watson]

Hi John,

I believe your conclusion about this issue needs to be reassessed, since new information has come to light. I can't reveal all (not mine to give), but here's some . . . .

Mike

Hi Mike:

You make a good case for the "woman hater" appellation. Actually, I had read most of the citations you list, including your own, and while I grant you that Tumblety certainly disliked women, perhaps in the extreme, there is nothing in his history to suggest he would resort to murdering them, which is really what the "woman hater" tag is attempting to infer and/or support. I don't mean to quibble over semantics, but it's the repeated use of that term to suggest a connection with the Ripper murders that I think is unfair to the man. Still, there is no question that it was his latter-day surfacing as a Ripper suspect which led researchers like yourself to began the search which has provided us with so many new and fascinating details on Tumblety's life and history. I believe in this area your efforts in particular must now qualify you as the foremost expert on Tumblety, and I'll be very interested (as always) to hear of anything new you've found on this rascal!

John the Anticipator

[Simon Wood]

Hi Dr. John Watson [aka the Anticipator],

So Mike Hawley now qualifies as "the foremost expert on Tumblety."

I am certain that this will come as breaking news to Wolf Vanderlinden.

Regards,

Simon

[Phil Carter]

Hi All,

It's interesting to note that, according to the New York Sun, Monday 19th November 1888, Tumblety was arrested on suspicion of the Whitechapel murders on Saturday 17th November, the day after he was bailed pending an Old Bailey appearance on charges of gross indecency.

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Darn those pesky US newspaper reports.

Regards,

Simon

Hello Simon,

Yes. Indeed. What was the description suggested by Mr Begg a few days ago, re newspaper reports? Prophetic, I believe.
Prophetic indeed.
Ever get the feeling the US papers were stirring up a manhunt?
Why? And more to the point, if so, who orchestrated it?

It is almost like somebody wanted the nameTumblety kept in a whipped up attention frenzy.

A bit like the name 'Jack the Ripper' in the UK.

Best wishes

Phil

[Simon Wood]

Hi Phil,

Always abide by the rules.

Ripperology Rule #1—

Newspaper reports are accurate if you're defending an argument, and inaccurate if you're disputing an argument.

Regards,

Simon

[mklhawley]

Hi All,

It's interesting to note that, according to the New York Sun, Monday 19th November 1888, Tumblety was arrested on suspicion of the Whitechapel murders on Saturday 17th November, the day after he was bailed pending an Old Bailey appearance on charges of gross indecency.

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Darn those pesky US newspaper reports.

Regards,

Simon

Looks like we have to reassess Joe's Saturday arrest, eh Simon! ...and why would you say this particular Saturday was not prior to November 9th?

Sincerely,

Mike

[mklhawley]

Hi Dr. John Watson [aka the Anticipator],

So Mike Hawley now qualifies as "the foremost expert on Tumblety."

I am certain that this will come as breaking news to Wolf Vanderlinden.

Regards,

Simon

...and Simon Wood, and Joe Chetcuti, and Roger Palmer, and Stewart Evans. ...although, I do have a few articles coming up

[Dr. John Watson]

Eagles Don't Notice Flies.

Hi Dr. John Watson [aka the Anticipator],

So Mike Hawley now qualifies as "the foremost expert on Tumblety."

I am certain that this will come as breaking news to Wolf Vanderlinden.

Regards,

Simon

Calm down, everyone! I wasn't aware my opinion meant that much! Fact is, I don't subscribe to Ripperologist anymore, nor have I bought any Ripper books for a good while. I mainly monitor these boards, so perhaps I've missed something recently from Wolf, who is of course an acknowledged expert on everything Ripper and hardly needs anyone to protect his standing, or the others. I simply connect Mike with a steady flow of fresh news articles, etc. on Tumblety (many of which I hadn't seen) that have appeared here in recent times. I appreciate Mike's research efforts, find him to be one of the most prolific donors of fresh information on the subject to these boards, and believe him to be among most knowledgable in the field of Tumblety research!

John, a mere Fly

[Simon Wood]

Hi Dr. John Watson,

I was merely establishing the benchmark.

Regards,

Simon

[Jonathan H]

With due respect to Mike's recent excellent work the only benchmark is R. J. Palmer.

His trilogy on Inspector Andrews ranks with the very best historical writing ever done on this subject, from what I have read.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Jonathan,

. . . and there we must choose to differ.

Regards,

Simon, [the tyro]

[Phil Carter]

Hi Phil,

Always abide by the rules.

Ripperology Rule #1—

Newspaper reports are accurate if you're defending an argument, and inaccurate if you're disputing an argument.

Regards,

Simon

Hello Simon,

I thought rule No.1 was-

Don't bring something new to the table that irritates the establishment.hierarchy?

However I bow to your greater wisdom and concede.

Best wishes

Phil

[Jonathan H]

To Simon

No worries, we always agreeably disagree, chief.

[Beowulf]

To Beowulf

That's an opinion, not a fact, and arguably not a strong one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlzrNKN3rZI

All I want is the truth.