Tumblety and Pinkerton

[harry]

No mystery as to why Tumblety or anyone else ,for that matter,who were watched by special branch might slip out of the country.Incoming or outgoing passengers would be monitored by Customs and immigration personnel.They would act on requests from the police.Did the police give such a request in the case of Tumblety?

[Simon Wood]

Hi GM,

Would you care to start the ball rolling?

Regards,

Simon

[The Grave Maurice]

And with that I shall exit these boards....

Geez, I thought he'd never leave. Now, let's get back to the uninformed comments.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Mike,

I covered this in Ripperologist 106 [September 2009]–

"In his 1928 book Masters of Crime, Guy Bertie Harris Logan, an English journalist and crime writer who was 19 years old at the time of the Whitechapel murders, wrote: 'The murders ceased, I think, with the Millers Court one, and I am the more disposed to this view because, though the fact was kept a close secret at the time, I know that one of Scotland Yard’s best men, Inspector Andrews, was sent specially to America in December 1888 in search of the Whitechapel fiend on the strength of important information, the nature of which was never disclosed. Nothing, however, came of it, and the Inspector’s mission was a failure.'"

Regards,

Simon

[mklhawley]

And we have Guy B.H. Logan, an author with several police contacts, writing of Andrews' trip to America 'in search of the Whitechapel fiend' in his book Masters of Crime -

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I really don't know what the problem is, it doesn't make Tumblety the Ripper, but some can't even accept that he was a suspect.

Simon,

This was published in 1925, so it's not so new. It is interesting why no one recognized it until Stewart found it. Bias can be so blinding. Notice how Logan states, "I know", and notice how he states "the nature of which was never disclosed". This is exactly what I was trying to say.

Sincerely,

Mike

[Stewart P Evans]

With That

And with that I shall exit these boards - the aggressive and obnoxious posters can post to themselves.

[Stewart P Evans]

Nasty

Hi Stewart,
Whoop de doo! Yet another document nobody else has seen. Is a pattern forming here?
...
Simon

And I suggest that you think twice before you start making any nasty little insinuations or suggestions. Don't ever expect any co-operation from me again.

[Stewart P Evans]

Twisted

Hi Stewart,
Whoop de doo! Yet another document nobody else has seen. Is a pattern forming here?
But moving swiftly on . . .
What exactly is your problem with the Home Secretary, Chief Commissioner and Assistant Commissioner all having been economical with the truth?
It probably wasn't the first time in history, and it certainly wouldn't be the last.
Regards,
Simon

It's not a document that 'nobody else has seen' - what on earth are you suggesting???

I have no problem with that - other than the fact that there is no evidence of it in this case. Your views are twisted by your theories.

[Natalie Severn]

I think I have posted it before. The memoir was that discovered by Keith Skinner back in the 1980s, it's mentioned in the A-Z - Christy Campbell incorrectly credits it to Paul Beggs [sic] and Martin Fido.

Ah! That one,I remember now! Yes he does and I noticed something only today mentioning Paul Begg in Fenian Fire! Poor old Keith,he must have been a bit put out at that!

[Stewart P Evans]

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95 page memoir! Thats amazing.I thought it was just from a couple pages or so of A5.
Well Stewart you surely have far more access to these sources than most of us---and thankyou for sharing the fresh information you posted today,
Best
Norma

I think I have posted it before. The memoir was that discovered by Keith Skinner back in the 1980s, it's mentioned in the A-Z - Christy Campbell incorrectly credits it to Paul Beggs [sic] and Martin Fido.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Stewart,

Whoop de doo! Yet another document nobody else has seen. Is a pattern forming here?

But moving swiftly on . . .

What exactly is your problem with the Home Secretary, Chief Commissioner and Assistant Commissioner all having been economical with the truth?

It probably wasn't the first time in history, and it certainly wouldn't be the last.

Regards,

Simon

[Natalie Severn]

I have given the sources and stated the case for the opinion I hold. I can do no more than that. Obviously if any contrary evidence emerged that might change my opinion then I would consider that. As regards the Monro 'letter from Darjeeling' quoted above, it is not a letter it is 95 page memoir by Monro - I have a full copy of it.

95 page memoir! Thats amazing.I thought it was just from a couple pages or so of A5.
Well Stewart you surely have far more access to these sources than most of us---and thankyou for sharing the fresh information you posted today,
Best
Norma

[Stewart P Evans]

Sources

Well Stewart,in some ways I hope you are right and that Inspector Andrews wore both his Ripper and Barnet hats while in Canada.I would hate to think he took off to do a simple "escort" job with Barnet and to have a bit of a "holiday" in Toronto at the height of the Ripper scare!
Best Wishes,
Norma

I have given the sources and stated the case for the opinion I hold. I can do no more than that. Obviously if any contrary evidence emerged that might change my opinion then I would consider that. As regards the Monro 'letter from Darjeeling' quoted above, it is not a letter it is 95 page memoir by Monro - I have a full copy of it.

[Natalie Severn]

Well Stewart,in some ways I hope you are right and that Inspector Andrews wore both his Ripper and Barnet hats while in Canada.I would hate to think he took off to do a simple "escort" job with Barnet and to have a bit of a "holiday" in Toronto at the height of the Ripper scare!
Best Wishes,
Norma

[Simon Wood]

Hi Stewart,

Regarding your old department, I was speaking figuratively.

Regards,

Simon