1858 Dr. Tumblety Advertisement

[harry]

This from an overseas paper.
Dr Francis J Tumblety,who was arrested in London during the time of the White-Chapel murders because of his hatred of women and was exonerated,and who died recently in a charity hospital in St Louis,has left an estate worth 27,500 pounds
About 22,500 pounds will be distributed among his relatives in Liverpool and America.Dr Tumblety made a fortune by a specific for clearing the complexion,and was eccentric in dress and speech.

[perrymason]

Hi all,

To answer a question you made Archaic, the bottles that I have do not say "vegetable" on them at all.Not that I imagine anything as healthy as vegetables were in any of these elixers.

You reminded me when speaking about Tumblety's stats Harry that there is a story Ive read that stated upon his person, itemized by I believe by nuns who worked at the hospital, he had some money, a rather expensive gold pocket watch, some other usual items and 2 cheap brass rings, known as "flash" rings for the resemblance to actual gold. These are obviously described the same as the rings that were taken from Annie's finger.

Does anyone know of that story and a source?

Thanks in advance, best regards.

[Tom_Wescott]

Hi Phil,

As a researcher I'm shocked to see you say that it doesn't matter WHO finds a particular item or piece of information. I, for one, like to know the history of a find, as such information can only aid in further research. Also, I believe a researcher deserves some level of credit for a find. Do you disagree?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[Phil Carter]

Hello Tom,

Well, it all depends on one's starting point I suppose.
Please allow me to explain.
I do not care one iota who discovers things ahead of anyone else. However, the PRAISE for finding it CERTAINLY warrants great mention, on behalf of the whole community. YES.

For me, I have two or three reasons for continuing my interest, adding (hopefully) to further research and discovery.

1) I think 121 years is far too long to keep THIS case a mystery. With the possibilities we have today, we have an excellent chance of if not finding out a specific WHO, we can find the specifics of the case that lack answers.

2) Having a member of my own close family having been BORN there in 1888, I can easily remember her words, her expressions and her dismay at the thought of those poor women. She was brought up in and amongst the like, and her message conveyed to me means more to me than the name of the discoverer of the murderer. OF COURSE I will be very happy for him/her, and will do my utmost to help anyone to uncover something that we can advance into history. And I will be the first to recognise the effort and contribution he/she has made.

3) I have become something of a cynic, knowing that there are complete time wasters calling themselves serious Ripperologists who have done more to harm the cause than advance it. That makes me both sad and angry. I don't like the thought of being played with.
I don't think it is particularly funny to pull the wool over the collective eyes of the serious investigator/researcher/writer/historian with hoaxes, fakes, made up convoluted stories and down right lies... to make money. It wastes people's time. Their GOOD time. And I believe that TIME is important. Because there is never enough time.

That is why I want those blasted purloined files returned. That is why I want those blasted SD files opened, without any pre-filtering of them. That is why I want some loose ends tied. And whoever does it, or achieves it.. I warmly and meaningfully add my utter appreciation. But what their name is? It matters not to me.

If I found the answer, I would immediately credit all others. Here's an example.
I am currently instigating the searching of the vast and dusty archives of Oslo's National Library for anything related to JTR in any way shape or form, papers, pamphlets, books, dissertations, medical reports, journals, the works.
The bulk of this work is being done voluntarily by some members of the staff there, and they have carte blanche over all they find, and how long it takes them. It is THEY whose efforts will be praised, even though when I present anything.. If I do, on Casebook, it will be me that gets the praise.
Well, I just had an idea thats all.

I honestly believe in positive human traits. One being selflessness. I am not religious, not a member of any particular Order, not an "educated" person, and regard myself as just one of the many, unnoticed, as I wish to be in this work.

Thats why I will add to anyone's work.

Thats why A.N.Other's name is as good to me as any known one.

What others are in this for, I have no idea. But those are my reasons.

And I have the utmost respect for all who seriously try to crack one of the many puzzles within JTR.

It's a damned shame there are still people out there who sit on purloined material, without any shame. For whatever reason.

You see, if the killer(s) were really Ostrog, Kominsky, Druitt, Tumblety, The Fenians, The Anarchists, Prince Eddy, William Gull and an oddball maniac of unknown name, all mixed up in this together, I don't care. But the idea of knowing we have NOT been wasting our time... THAT... is important. We can make great strides in the field of human history within this catagory. And the answers WE discover, lay down in perpituity can be an example for others to follow...that dedication and honesty DOES prevail...now and again.

Idealism? Perhaps. Unrealistic? Possibly.

But thats WHY I am doing this. I expect no one to explain why they are doing it. They have their own reasons. And as long as they are dedicated and honest, they have my full attention and praise.

I apologise for the long reply. I just felt that I needed to explain myself. So thank you for your question.


best wishes

Phil

[Phil Carter]

Archaic,

I apologise for digressing your thread, but I was asked.

best wishes

Phil

[perrymason]

Hi Phil,

As a researcher I'm shocked to see you say that it doesn't matter WHO finds a particular item or piece of information. I, for one, like to know the history of a find, as such information can only aid in further research. Also, I believe a researcher deserves some level of credit for a find. Do you disagree?

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

I agree, when its clear the researcher offers something that has not been suggested or uncovered before....and exactly how does one prove that is is indeed "new"....by providing the evidence that reveals the date, place and time when the information was released publicly.

Theres a few researchers who seem to claim ownership of ideas, theories or statements that have been mentioned in newer threads and without any substantive proof of their publication date. Its very often no more convincing an argument than a comment like "Yes, I thought that as well a long time back"...

Folks like myself and a few others could care less who gets the "credit", but we dont like misrepresentation.

Best regards

[jmenges]

A closely worded variety of this ad first appeared in the 20 November 1857 issue of the Toronto Globe. When he changed offices from International Hotel to King Street East, the above exact ad is the one that ran in the same paper as the first, beginning in March, 1858.

Tim Riordan has done a monumental job of researching the history of practically every one of Tumblety's ads and press coverage for his book Prince of Quacks.

I suggest that those interested buy his book.

No new find has been discovered here.

JM