Francis Thompson. The Perfect Suspect.

[MrBarnett]

So, apparently Thompson broke into the heavily policed Docks surrounded by high walls, started a fire, and then made his escape from the docks in order to distract the police from Bucks Row?

[Dupin]

Sorry to be a pedant, but it's my Greek class today so I can't let slip the suggestion that οὐ μὴ implies plurality.
(Not that I understand why it matters.)
It's an emphatic 'not'.
The revelation text (from Textus Receptus) is
κάθημαι βασίλισσα καὶ χήρα οὐκ εἰμί καὶ πένθος οὐ μὴ ἴδω
and the word κάθημαι means 'I sit' βασίλισσα means 'a queen (singular)' εἰμί means 'I am', and ἴδω 'I shall see'.
No 'we' there not never not nohow.
HTH
Dupin

[Trevor Marriott]

When we look at the Goulston Street Graffito, if the murderer wrote it, the biggest clue is the message, essentially saying blame the Jews. (For the Killings) This fanatical anti-Semitic message has religion as its motive. As an aside, with little more to go on, we can assume that the killer, since he felt compelled to write, was a writer.

Knowing this when we read the message, we might assume the killer had very specific reasons for his writing it. If the graffito was by a writer who had studied in religion. It considerably narrows the range of suspects to a religious fanatic with experience as a writer. The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing, makes use of a double negative. In poetry, this is called litotes, from the Greek word for simple. A litotes is a figure of speech that makes a positive statement by negating its opposite expressions.
Litotes, also called double negatives, are often used in the Bible and mostly in Revelations. Biblical scholars cite that the strongest possible use is within Revelations 18:7. Considering, the Ripper killed prostitutes (whores) we find a very remarkable coincidence between the graffito and the bible.
Revelations 18:7 concerns the words spoken by the Whore of Babylon before she is slain. In this verse the whore boasts how she rides the Beast and rules over the kings of men. She says, I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never not mourn.' Here, the double negative never not is clear, but there are many more.
In modern translations of this verse, I, the first- person singular pronoun, is used. However, in the original Greek instead of the pronoun I the double negative οὐ μὴ which translates as our me or I We was used. 18:7 reads more correctly as, I We sit as queen; I We am not a widow, and I We will never not mourn.'
This coincidence grows most compelling when we discover that, in fact, this one verse holds more double negatives than any of all the other 31,102, verses within in the bible. In the Dear Boss letter the Ripper is believed to have written, I am down on whores.

Regarding coincidences, the English poet Francis Thompson, is a Ripper suspect who, before the murders, studied for several years to become ordained as a Catholic priest. When he wrote the word Jews he used to spell it Juwes the same as in the Goulston Street graffito. Thompson copied the writing style of poets from the 17th century when that was how it was spelt.


A Goulston Street Coincidence to Religion:

A singular fact presides over the Ripper killings. The murderer always first subdued his victims before cutting into them. Experts have concluded that the Ripper first strangled his victims to bring about partial asphyxiation and loss of consciousness. The doctors who did their autopsies were not clear about how the strangling took place. The strangulation could have been from a soft cord-like material, as a scarf or necktie. This partial suffocation rendered his victims unable to struggle and prevented them from being able to cry for help. The killer then let his unconscious victims slump to the ground. This provided him with a prone subject and a stable surface to begin cutting.

It would be very difficult to strangle someone, without them crying out, until they lost consciousness, without the risk of killing them. Jack the Ripper was able to perform this task very well, without exception, repeatedly. There was only one job where someone was trained to do this. A surgeon.
In the 1870s and 80s anaesthetics, although used in some hospitals, was rare. The usual procedure, in Hospital Emergency Departments, to restrain patients to prepare them for surgery, was by partial asphyxiation. This was achieved by strangulation with a ligature around the neck.
The English poet Francis Thompson (1859-1907) trained for 7 years as a surgeon in one of the best medical schools in the country. In those years, 1878-1885, Thompson also worked as a surgeon assistant in Manchester Hospitals Emergency Department. As a medical student, Thompson practiced surgery on cadavers, cutting into flesh and removing bodily organ. As a surgeons assistant, Thompson was required to sedate those people who presented injuries needing surgical intervention, such as having a limb amputated. Thompson effectively practiced strangling people into unconscious, every day, year after year.
Right before the Ripper murders began, Thompson had just been told that an editor had received his poem about killing female prostitutes. He was already making notes for his short story about a man who kills his lover with a knife. He was carrying a razor sharp knife of his own in his coat pocket. He was in the East End, during the murders, solely to find the prostitute who had dumped and fled him. It's too easy to guess what he might have been up to, on the night of November the 8th, when he left his lodgings recently secured at the end of Dorset Street Spitalfields, less than 100 yards from where the Ripper would, a few hours later, kill Mary Kelly. A trait in the way Thompson dressed back then, as this picture of him shows, earned him a nickname. The Necktie Poet.

If the graffiti was written by and educated man such as Thompson, surley he would have at least got the spelling of the word Jews correct. After all the word Jews and how it is spelt would have been one of the most familair names to be able to spell for an educated man living in London at the time of the murders.

https://www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[MrBarnett]

Could thompson the arsonist set the dock fire as a diversion to make one of his killings if he was jtr ?

Thompson wasn’t an arsonist. That’s just Richards spin on a couple of incidents in Thompson’s life.

Don’t waste your time on this theory.

[MrBarnett]

hi richard
can you provide the examples/ sources of thompson spelling Jews as juwes?

I very much doubt it, Abby.

Richard is a supreme embroiderer of facts.

[Abby Normal]

When we look at the Goulston Street Graffito, if the murderer wrote it, the biggest clue is the message, essentially saying blame the Jews. (For the Killings) This fanatical anti-Semitic message has religion as its motive. As an aside, with little more to go on, we can assume that the killer, since he felt compelled to write, was a writer.

Knowing this when we read the message, we might assume the killer had very specific reasons for his writing it. If the graffito was by a writer who had studied in religion. It considerably narrows the range of suspects to a religious fanatic with experience as a writer. The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing, makes use of a double negative. In poetry, this is called litotes, from the Greek word for simple. A litotes is a figure of speech that makes a positive statement by negating its opposite expressions.
Litotes, also called double negatives, are often used in the Bible and mostly in Revelations. Biblical scholars cite that the strongest possible use is within Revelations 18:7. Considering, the Ripper killed prostitutes (whores) we find a very remarkable coincidence between the graffito and the bible.
Revelations 18:7 concerns the words spoken by the Whore of Babylon before she is slain. In this verse the whore boasts how she rides the Beast and rules over the kings of men. She says, I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never not mourn.' Here, the double negative never not is clear, but there are many more.
In modern translations of this verse, I, the first- person singular pronoun, is used. However, in the original Greek instead of the pronoun I the double negative οὐ μὴ which translates as our me or I We was used. 18:7 reads more correctly as, I We sit as queen; I We am not a widow, and I We will never not mourn.'
This coincidence grows most compelling when we discover that, in fact, this one verse holds more double negatives than any of all the other 31,102, verses within in the bible. In the Dear Boss letter the Ripper is believed to have written, I am down on whores.

Regarding coincidences, the English poet Francis Thompson, is a Ripper suspect who, before the murders, studied for several years to become ordained as a Catholic priest. When he wrote the word Jews he used to spell it Juwes the same as in the Goulston Street graffito. Thompson copied the writing style of poets from the 17th century when that was how it was spelt.


A Goulston Street Coincidence to Religion:

A singular fact presides over the Ripper killings. The murderer always first subdued his victims before cutting into them. Experts have concluded that the Ripper first strangled his victims to bring about partial asphyxiation and loss of consciousness. The doctors who did their autopsies were not clear about how the strangling took place. The strangulation could have been from a soft cord-like material, as a scarf or necktie. This partial suffocation rendered his victims unable to struggle and prevented them from being able to cry for help. The killer then let his unconscious victims slump to the ground. This provided him with a prone subject and a stable surface to begin cutting.

It would be very difficult to strangle someone, without them crying out, until they lost consciousness, without the risk of killing them. Jack the Ripper was able to perform this task very well, without exception, repeatedly. There was only one job where someone was trained to do this. A surgeon.
In the 1870s and 80s anaesthetics, although used in some hospitals, was rare. The usual procedure, in Hospital Emergency Departments, to restrain patients to prepare them for surgery, was by partial asphyxiation. This was achieved by strangulation with a ligature around the neck.
The English poet Francis Thompson (1859-1907) trained for 7 years as a surgeon in one of the best medical schools in the country. In those years, 1878-1885, Thompson also worked as a surgeon assistant in Manchester Hospitals Emergency Department. As a medical student, Thompson practiced surgery on cadavers, cutting into flesh and removing bodily organ. As a surgeons assistant, Thompson was required to sedate those people who presented injuries needing surgical intervention, such as having a limb amputated. Thompson effectively practiced strangling people into unconscious, every day, year after year.
Right before the Ripper murders began, Thompson had just been told that an editor had received his poem about killing female prostitutes. He was already making notes for his short story about a man who kills his lover with a knife. He was carrying a razor sharp knife of his own in his coat pocket. He was in the East End, during the murders, solely to find the prostitute who had dumped and fled him. It's too easy to guess what he might have been up to, on the night of November the 8th, when he left his lodgings recently secured at the end of Dorset Street Spitalfields, less than 100 yards from where the Ripper would, a few hours later, kill Mary Kelly. A trait in the way Thompson dressed back then, as this picture of him shows, earned him a nickname. The Necktie Poet.

hi richard
can you provide the examples/ sources of thompson spelling Jews as juwes?

[thewoo1]

Could thompson the arsonist set the dock fire as a diversion to make one of his killings if he was jtr ?

[MrBarnett]

Does anyone have physical description of thompson ? Actually height

Why not just make it up, a la Richard?

[thewoo1]

Does anyone have physical description of thompson ? Actually height

[Richard Patterson]

When we look at the Goulston Street Graffito, if the murderer wrote it, the biggest clue is the message, essentially saying blame the Jews. (For the Killings) This fanatical anti-Semitic message has religion as its motive. As an aside, with little more to go on, we can assume that the killer, since he felt compelled to write, was a writer.

Knowing this when we read the message, we might assume the killer had very specific reasons for his writing it. If the graffito was by a writer who had studied in religion. It considerably narrows the range of suspects to a religious fanatic with experience as a writer. ‘The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing,’ makes use of a double negative. In poetry, this is called litotes, from the Greek word for ‘simple’. A litotes is a figure of speech that makes a positive statement by negating its opposite expressions.
Litotes, also called double negatives, are often used in the Bible and mostly in Revelations. Biblical scholars cite that the strongest possible use is within Revelations 18:7. Considering, the Ripper killed prostitutes (whores) we find a very remarkable coincidence between the graffito and the bible.
Revelations 18:7 concerns the words spoken by the Whore of Babylon before she is slain. In this verse the whore boasts how she rides the Beast and rules over the kings of men. She says, ‘I sit as queen; I am not a widow, and I will never not mourn.' Here, the double negative ‘never not’ is clear, but there are many more.
In modern translations of this verse, ‘I’, the first- person singular pronoun, is used. However, in the original Greek instead of the pronoun ‘I’ the double negative ‘οὐ μὴ’ which translates as ‘our me’ or “I We” was used. 18:7 reads more correctly as, ‘I We sit as queen; I We am not a widow, and I We will never not mourn.'
This coincidence grows most compelling when we discover that, in fact, this one verse holds more double negatives than any of all the other 31,102, verses within in the bible. In the Dear Boss letter the Ripper is believed to have written, ‘I am down on whores.’

Regarding coincidences, the English poet Francis Thompson, is a Ripper suspect who, before the murders, studied for several years to become ordained as a Catholic priest. When he wrote the word Jews he used to spell it ‘Juwes’ the same as in the Goulston Street graffito. Thompson copied the writing style of poets from the 17th century when that was how it was spelt.


A Goulston Street Coincidence to Religion:

A singular fact presides over the Ripper killings. The murderer always first subdued his victims before cutting into them. Experts have concluded that the Ripper first strangled his victims to bring about partial asphyxiation and loss of consciousness. The doctors who did their autopsies were not clear about how the strangling took place. The strangulation could have been from a soft cord-like material, as a scarf or necktie. This partial suffocation rendered his victims unable to struggle and prevented them from being able to cry for help. The killer then let his unconscious victims slump to the ground. This provided him with a prone subject and a stable surface to begin cutting.

It would be very difficult to strangle someone, without them crying out, until they lost consciousness, without the risk of killing them. Jack the Ripper was able to perform this task very well, without exception, repeatedly. There was only one job where someone was trained to do this. A surgeon.
In the 1870’s and 80’s anaesthetics, although used in some hospitals, was rare. The usual procedure, in Hospital Emergency Departments, to restrain patients to prepare them for surgery, was by partial asphyxiation. This was achieved by strangulation with a ligature around the neck.
The English poet Francis Thompson (1859-1907) trained for 7 years as a surgeon in one of the best medical schools in the country. In those years, 1878-1885, Thompson also worked as a surgeon’ assistant in Manchester Hospital’s Emergency Department. As a medical student, Thompson practiced surgery on cadavers, cutting into flesh and removing bodily organ. As a surgeon’s assistant, Thompson was required to sedate those people who presented injuries needing surgical intervention, such as having a limb amputated. Thompson effectively practiced strangling people into unconscious, every day, year after year.
Right before the Ripper murders began, Thompson had just been told that an editor had received his poem about killing female prostitutes. He was already making notes for his short story about a man who kills his lover with a knife. He was carrying a razor sharp knife of his own in his coat pocket. He was in the East End, during the murders, solely to find the prostitute who had dumped and fled him. It's too easy to guess what he might have been up to, on the night of November the 8th, when he left his lodgings recently secured at the end of Dorset Street Spitalfields, less than 100 yards from where the Ripper would, a few hours later, kill Mary Kelly. A trait in the way Thompson dressed back then, as this picture of him shows, earned him a nickname. ‘The Necktie Poet.’

[MrBarnett]

Thompson is said to have stayed at a Salvation Army lodging house during his homeless period. The first of these was opened at 21, West India Dock Road in February, 1888. According to Richard, this is one of the pieces of evidence of his presence in the East End during the period of the murders.

Richard seems to believe that Thompson, the arsonist was responsible for the dock fires on the night of the Buck’s Row murder. He used them to create a diversion apparently. Richard tells us that the fires were at the West India docks or, as he also calls them, the West India London Docks.

The unsuspecting reader who is not familiar with the case or the East End will probably think ‘West India Dock Road/West India (London) Docks - must be next door to each other, surely’. The fact is that the West India Docks and London Docks were different places, some distance apart. The fires took place at the London/Shadwell Docks, not the WID near where Thompson apparently stayed at some point in 1888.

[Michael W Richards]

Facts on Francis Thompson as a Jack the Ripper suspect. He was a poet who had trained as a surgeon for 6-years at a prestigious medical school before one coroner of the murders concluded that Jack the Ripper must have had considerable anatomical skill and knowledge.

Right before the murders of these prostitutes, Thompson broke up with one and wrote about killing women of that profession. He was carrying a razor sharp knife, showed signs of severe mental illness and he was known to police.

Just with these facts, there is no other suspect, or anyone living or dead, anywhere in the world, pointing so strongly to being the Ripper.

This so often happens, the strength of an argument is diminished by a statement that is unsupported within the known evidence. The above would make someone a person of interest, but "so strongly pointed" is misleading and based only on some misc. characteristics and circumstantial evidence. We could name a dozen who shared the scenery and many of the traits with the above, none of which has any detected link to any of these murders.

The honest statement would be that there is no legitimate single suspect for any Canonical murder, or for many of the others in the Unsolved Files.

[MrBarnett]

But then it negates your "opportunity" argument.

". . .he was part of the landscape and could come and go without rousing suspicion."

A new arrival gets noticed.

Some more so than others.

Thompson's biographer, John Walsh, claimed the poet had an 'erratic walk' emphasised by a 'peculiarity in the gait'. The kids in his home town used to barrack him and call him 'elastic legs'.

It is absolutely not known how much time Thompson spent in the East End or whether he spent any time at all in Spitalfields in 1888.

[APerno]

You are right, when I wrote these words my research showed to me that he spent the bulk of his homeless years in the East End. Now I would refine this claim. Instead it is more truer to say that Thompson spent much of his homeless years in the West End of London, only residing in the East End area during the months of the murders. I think this to be more accurate and it also happens to be a stronger case for Thompson being suspected since his moving to the East End coincides with the Ripper murders.

But then it negates your "opportunity" argument.

". . .he was part of the landscape and could come and go without rousing suspicion."

A new arrival gets noticed.

[MrBarnett]

hi Richard





he had a history of mutilation? of what? can you please expound on this.

Cut himself shaving?😉