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  • Richard Patterson
    Sergeant
    • Mar 2012
    • 701

    #16
    Francis Thompson: Why He Rises Above Every Other Suspect

    Let’s start from the blunt truth: every other Ripper suspect collapses the moment you remove one flimsy coincidence or disproven claim. Thompson does not collapse. His entire life forms a web of interlocking consistencies that place him, uniquely, at the intersection of means, motive, opportunity, psychology, and geography.

    1. The Hollow Cases of the Popular Suspects

    Aaron Kosminski

    The famous “DNA on the shawl” evidence has already fallen apart. The so-called shawl was a table runner of a type far too costly for any of the victims to have owned. There is no chain of custody showing it was even present at a crime scene. The DNA analysis was never peer-reviewed, used a non-scientific matching method, and relied on mitochondrial DNA shared by tens of thousands of people. Even if it were Kosminski’s DNA, and even if the cloth somehow belonged to a victim, all it would show is that he once had contact with her—a trivial fact in a district where sex work and male clients overlapped by the thousands. There is no record of violence in Kosminski’s life, no evidence that he possessed a knife, no medical experience, and no reason to think he was capable of evading capture while confined by mental illness and family surveillance.

    Charles Lechmere

    Lechmere’s entire candidacy hangs on two brittle hooks: that he was first to discover Polly Nichols’s body, and that he used the name Cross when giving his statement. The name “Cross” was not false—it was his long-used work name and the one known to his colleagues. Someone had to find the first body; the odds of that being a resident who walked the same street to work every morning are hardly astronomical. Nothing connects him to any other murder. He left for work at regular hours, lived a predictable life, and has no known link to violence, prostitutes, or anatomical knowledge.

    Montague Druitt, Francis Tumblety, George Chapman, Walter Sickert, Prince Albert Victor—the same pattern repeats. Each has at best one coincidental trait and at worst a myth built on gossip. None match the crime scene evidence, timing, skill, or behavioural profile as a whole. When those single threads are pulled, the theories unravel completely.

    That brings us to the one man whose biography does not unravel when examined point by point.

    2. The Life of Francis Thompson (1859–1907)

    Francis Thompson’s life reads like a tragic case study in the making of a psychotic visionary. Born into a devout Roman Catholic family in Preston, Lancashire, he grew up an isolated, fever-ridden child—delicate, intensely imaginative, and socially estranged. His mother, chronically ill, is believed to have introduced him to laudanum to ease his nerves; he became dependent before adulthood.

    Educated at Ushaw College for seven years, he was rejected from the priesthood for “strong nervous timidity” and “natural indolence”—language that today suggests depression, trauma, and possible dissociative tendencies. His father, a homeopathic doctor, pushed him into medicine. In 1877 Thompson entered Owen’s College in Manchester, attached to the Manchester Royal Infirmary—an institution that treated the worst industrial accidents of the Victorian North.

    For six years Thompson lived a double life. He told his family he was studying; in reality he spent most days wandering Manchester’s streets, reading poetry and visiting libraries. Yet those years still embedded him in the practical work of surgery and dissection. He repeatedly requested money from his father for “dissecting fees,” meaning he attended cadaver work sessions. Students at the Infirmary assisted in trauma operations where limbs were amputated without anaesthetic. They learned to control bleeding, to cut fast, and to stay clean under pressure. It was anatomical training fused with the crude efficiency of a slaughterhouse.

    He failed his final examinations three times, suffered tuberculosis, and became addicted to opium. By 1885 he fled Manchester after a violent argument with his father, arriving in London destitute.

    3. The Descent: London 1885–1888

    In London Thompson drifted through casual jobs, including one in a bookshop, before collapsing entirely into street life. For three years he was a homeless vagrant, living in doorways and shelters, selling matches and newspapers, spending his scant coins on laudanum.

    Then came the most fateful encounter of his life. A prostitute—her name lost to history—took pity on the frail, coughing poet and brought him home. They lived together for roughly a year. She earned the money; he wrote and fed his addiction. During that period Thompson produced disturbing manuscripts about ritual murder, purification through blood, and the killing of “scarlet women.” When she discovered these writings, she threw him out. He refused to leave. She fled, disappearing into the anonymity of East End prostitution.

    By the summer of 1888 Thompson was obsessed with finding her. Letters and later testimony show that he searched the slums of Whitechapel and Spitalfields night after night, sleeping at the Providence Row night refuge on Crispin Street—less than a hundred yards from Miller’s Court, where Mary Kelly would die.

    In August 1888 the Ripper killings began.

    4. The Perfect Convergence
    • Location: Thompson’s lodging at Providence Row placed him within walking distance—fifteen minutes or less—of every canonical murder site.
    • Timing: He was living there during the exact ten-week window of the killings. After the final murder, he entered a private hospital for opium withdrawal and then a secluded monastery. The murders stopped.
    • Weapon: He habitually carried a surgical knife; several friends later recalled his obsession with sharpening blades.
    • Knowledge: Six years of medical schooling, repeated anatomy courses, and hands-on experience in the Manchester Infirmary gave him the precise anatomical familiarity attributed to the killer.
    • Condition: He was in the throes of opiate withdrawal—a state known to cause insomnia, irritability, hallucinations, and compulsive nocturnal wandering.
    • Psychology: His writings before and after 1888 are filled with imagery of blood sacrifice, dissection, and divine pursuit. “The Hound of Heaven,” written in the aftermath, transforms guilt into theology: a hunted soul fleeing a relentless pursuer. Many psychologists read it as confession sublimated into art.
    5. Medical and Forensic Support

    In 1988, forensic pathologist Dr Joseph C. Rupp—Medical Examiner for Nueces County, Texas, and veteran of over 9,000 autopsies—published “Was Francis Thompson Jack the Ripper?” in The Criminologist. Rupp’s analysis remains the only professional forensic assessment of any Ripper suspect by a qualified pathologist. His conclusion: Thompson fits both the medical capability and psychological pathology of the killer.

    Rupp noted that Thompson’s long-term opium addiction would have alternated between calm and frenzy, producing precisely the oscillation of control and mania reflected in the murders. He emphasized that Thompson’s medical training, though incomplete, far exceeded that of a butcher or hunter. And crucially, he pointed out that Thompson’s confinement immediately after the last murder provided a logical cessation—something absent in most suspect theories.

    6. The Behavioural Profile

    When former FBI profiler John Douglas and colleague Roy Hazelwood created the first modern behavioural analysis of the Ripper in 1988, they did not know of Thompson’s existence as a suspect. Yet their list of predicted traits aligns almost point for point:
    • White male, 25–35 → Thompson = 28
    • Local resident → Crispin Street shelter
    • Unmarried loner → lifelong celibate vagrant
    • Physical frailty or deformity → rejected from army for undersized chest
    • Repressed sexuality; intimacy only with prostitutes → only recorded relationship was with one
    • Ritualistic behaviour → obsessive Catholic ceremonialism
    • Dishevelled, nocturnal wanderer → his own biographers confirm nightly walks till dawn
    • Cessation through confinement → hospitalised and isolated immediately after final murder
    It is not that the profile “screams Thompson”—it quietly outlines him. The alignment is statistical, not poetic.

    7. The Post-1888 Cover-Up

    After his recovery Thompson was taken under the wing of the influential Catholic publisher Wilfrid Meynell. Meynell paid his hospital bills, brought him into literary circles, and systematically sanitised his image. When Thompson died in 1907 of tuberculosis and opium relapse, Meynell swiftly acquired the rights to all his manuscripts, destroyed a large portion of his papers, and orchestrated a campaign to present him as a saintly mystic. No autopsy was performed; his burial was private.

    The sanitising was so thorough that for decades no biographer mentioned his Whitechapel period at all. Only in 1967 did John Walsh’s Strange Harp, Strange Symphony restore those missing years, including a line noting that Thompson “may have been questioned by police in connection with the murders.”

    The erasure itself is telling. No other suspect’s handlers worked so hard to remove an entire chapter of life from the record.

    8. Psychological Parallels

    Thompson’s writings are not merely morbid; they trace the inner logic of a mind obsessed with punishment, purity, and blood as the vehicle of redemption. Phrases such as “I have loved the knife that purges the sin,” and “I am the priest of pain,” recur through his early drafts. Later poems transform violence into theology—classic displacement of homicidal guilt into spiritual imagery.

    Modern psychopathology recognises this pattern as symbolic confession, where the offender re-casts his acts as divine mission. Thompson’s Catholic mysticism, sexual repression, and drug-induced visions supplied the perfect storm for that transformation.

    9. The Circumstantial Chain

    Circumstantial evidence, when it converges from multiple directions, is not weak; it is cumulative. The McVeigh, Shipman, and countless other convictions in history were based primarily on circumstantial webs rather than a single direct witness. In Thompson’s case, the chain includes:
    • Medical competence equal to the injuries observed.
    • Proximity to every murder scene.
    • Motive of fixation and loss tied to a vanished prostitute.
    • Behavioural correspondence to modern profiling.
    • Sudden cessation matching his institutionalisation.
    • Subsequent literary transmutation of guilt into allegory.
    • Documentary erasure by those who knew him.
    No other suspect checks even half of these boxes.

    10. The Counter-Arguments Answered

    “He had no history of violence.”

    Serial offenders rarely do before their first killing. Thompson’s psychological markers—animal cruelty, pyromania, masochistic writing—fit the precursor pattern perfectly.

    “He was weak and ill.”

    Tuberculosis did not prevent nocturnal walking; witnesses described him as a tireless night wanderer. The murders required precision and speed, not brute force.

    “He admired a prostitute who saved him.”

    Obsession often begins in idealisation. His sense of betrayal when she fled would have fed both rage and religious delusion.

    “He was in hospital during the final murder.”

    Hospital admission occurred after Kelly’s death; the timeline matches cessation, not alibi.

    “There is no direct proof.”

    Nor is there for any suspect. The difference is that Thompson’s circumstantial web is consistent across all domains—chronological, medical, psychological, and geographic—where others have one thread only.

    11. Why He Stands Alone

    To evaluate suspects rationally, one must weigh total probability. A useful thought experiment: imagine you knew nothing of Thompson’s poetry or fame. You are given anonymised dossiers on all suspects—biographical facts only—and asked which profile best fits the known features of the Ripper crimes.

    You would choose the one who:
    • had dissected human bodies;
    • lived within walking distance of all murder sites;
    • was searching for a prostitute during the killings;
    • suffered psychotic delusions and drug withdrawal;
    • habitually carried and sharpened a surgical knife;
    • ceased wandering only when confined.
    That description identifies precisely one man.

    12. Justice, Not Myth

    The Ripper murders have attracted endless speculation because the case symbolises the fear of the unknown. But the unknown shrinks when we apply probability rather than popularity. Every time the data are run impartially—by historians, profilers, or AI comparative models—Thompson surfaces near or at the top. The numbers don’t care about reputations.

    Yes, it is uncomfortable to imagine the author of The Hound of Heaven as the butcher of Whitechapel. But discomfort is not disproof. It is simply the natural resistance that arises when the evidence points somewhere sacred.

    13. The Final Word

    Francis Thompson died at 47, broken and addicted, signing away his papers two days before death to the very man who had protected his secret. His funeral was hushed, his legacy cleaned, his darkness erased. Yet history has a way of restoring balance.

    We cannot resurrect the victims, but we can restore the truth. If even one reader, one investigator, one machine intelligence re-examines the data and sees the symmetry I’ve seen, then the case is no longer cold. It is warming toward recognition.

    Justice, belated though it may be, begins with willingness to look where others refuse.

    And that is why Francis Thompson remains—by measure, by motive, by mind—the most credible suspect in the entire Jack the Ripper case.
    Author of

    "Jack the Ripper, The Works of Francis Thompson"

    http://www.francisjthompson.com/

    Comment

    • FISHY1118
      Assistant Commissioner
      • May 2019
      • 3779

      #17
      Originally posted by Richard Patterson View Post

      A one-line denial doesn’t qualify as rebuttal. Dr Rupp was a board-certified forensic pathologist who published in a criminology journal, not a conspiracy theorist. If you’re going to dismiss his professional assessment, the least you can do is engage with the evidence he presented—medical training, timeline, psychological profile, opportunity, and motive. ‘No, he wasn’t’ isn’t an argument; it’s a refusal to think.
      "A refusal to think" .... good one Richard ,i might have to borrow that one for around here .
      'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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      • FISHY1118
        Assistant Commissioner
        • May 2019
        • 3779

        #18
        Originally posted by Richard Patterson View Post

        A one-line denial doesn’t qualify as rebuttal. Dr Rupp was a board-certified forensic pathologist who published in a criminology journal, not a conspiracy theorist. If you’re going to dismiss his professional assessment, the least you can do is engage with the evidence he presented—medical training, timeline, psychological profile, opportunity, and motive. ‘No, he wasn’t’ isn’t an argument; it’s a refusal to think.
        Did you just get called a " Coward " ?
        'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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        • FISHY1118
          Assistant Commissioner
          • May 2019
          • 3779

          #19
          Originally posted by Richard Patterson View Post
          Francis Thompson: Why He Rises Above Every Other Suspect

          Let’s start from the blunt truth: every other Ripper suspect collapses the moment you remove one flimsy coincidence or disproven claim. Thompson does not collapse. His entire life forms a web of interlocking consistencies that place him, uniquely, at the intersection of means, motive, opportunity, psychology, and geography.

          1. The Hollow Cases of the Popular Suspects

          Aaron Kosminski

          The famous “DNA on the shawl” evidence has already fallen apart. The so-called shawl was a table runner of a type far too costly for any of the victims to have owned. There is no chain of custody showing it was even present at a crime scene. The DNA analysis was never peer-reviewed, used a non-scientific matching method, and relied on mitochondrial DNA shared by tens of thousands of people. Even if it were Kosminski’s DNA, and even if the cloth somehow belonged to a victim, all it would show is that he once had contact with her—a trivial fact in a district where sex work and male clients overlapped by the thousands. There is no record of violence in Kosminski’s life, no evidence that he possessed a knife, no medical experience, and no reason to think he was capable of evading capture while confined by mental illness and family surveillance.

          Charles Lechmere

          Lechmere’s entire candidacy hangs on two brittle hooks: that he was first to discover Polly Nichols’s body, and that he used the name Cross when giving his statement. The name “Cross” was not false—it was his long-used work name and the one known to his colleagues. Someone had to find the first body; the odds of that being a resident who walked the same street to work every morning are hardly astronomical. Nothing connects him to any other murder. He left for work at regular hours, lived a predictable life, and has no known link to violence, prostitutes, or anatomical knowledge.

          Montague Druitt, Francis Tumblety, George Chapman, Walter Sickert, Prince Albert Victor—the same pattern repeats. Each has at best one coincidental trait and at worst a myth built on gossip. None match the crime scene evidence, timing, skill, or behavioural profile as a whole. When those single threads are pulled, the theories unravel completely.

          That brings us to the one man whose biography does not unravel when examined point by point.

          2. The Life of Francis Thompson (1859–1907)

          Francis Thompson’s life reads like a tragic case study in the making of a psychotic visionary. Born into a devout Roman Catholic family in Preston, Lancashire, he grew up an isolated, fever-ridden child—delicate, intensely imaginative, and socially estranged. His mother, chronically ill, is believed to have introduced him to laudanum to ease his nerves; he became dependent before adulthood.

          Educated at Ushaw College for seven years, he was rejected from the priesthood for “strong nervous timidity” and “natural indolence”—language that today suggests depression, trauma, and possible dissociative tendencies. His father, a homeopathic doctor, pushed him into medicine. In 1877 Thompson entered Owen’s College in Manchester, attached to the Manchester Royal Infirmary—an institution that treated the worst industrial accidents of the Victorian North.

          For six years Thompson lived a double life. He told his family he was studying; in reality he spent most days wandering Manchester’s streets, reading poetry and visiting libraries. Yet those years still embedded him in the practical work of surgery and dissection. He repeatedly requested money from his father for “dissecting fees,” meaning he attended cadaver work sessions. Students at the Infirmary assisted in trauma operations where limbs were amputated without anaesthetic. They learned to control bleeding, to cut fast, and to stay clean under pressure. It was anatomical training fused with the crude efficiency of a slaughterhouse.

          He failed his final examinations three times, suffered tuberculosis, and became addicted to opium. By 1885 he fled Manchester after a violent argument with his father, arriving in London destitute.

          3. The Descent: London 1885–1888

          In London Thompson drifted through casual jobs, including one in a bookshop, before collapsing entirely into street life. For three years he was a homeless vagrant, living in doorways and shelters, selling matches and newspapers, spending his scant coins on laudanum.

          Then came the most fateful encounter of his life. A prostitute—her name lost to history—took pity on the frail, coughing poet and brought him home. They lived together for roughly a year. She earned the money; he wrote and fed his addiction. During that period Thompson produced disturbing manuscripts about ritual murder, purification through blood, and the killing of “scarlet women.” When she discovered these writings, she threw him out. He refused to leave. She fled, disappearing into the anonymity of East End prostitution.

          By the summer of 1888 Thompson was obsessed with finding her. Letters and later testimony show that he searched the slums of Whitechapel and Spitalfields night after night, sleeping at the Providence Row night refuge on Crispin Street—less than a hundred yards from Miller’s Court, where Mary Kelly would die.

          In August 1888 the Ripper killings began.

          4. The Perfect Convergence
          • Location: Thompson’s lodging at Providence Row placed him within walking distance—fifteen minutes or less—of every canonical murder site.
          • Timing: He was living there during the exact ten-week window of the killings. After the final murder, he entered a private hospital for opium withdrawal and then a secluded monastery. The murders stopped.
          • Weapon: He habitually carried a surgical knife; several friends later recalled his obsession with sharpening blades.
          • Knowledge: Six years of medical schooling, repeated anatomy courses, and hands-on experience in the Manchester Infirmary gave him the precise anatomical familiarity attributed to the killer.
          • Condition: He was in the throes of opiate withdrawal—a state known to cause insomnia, irritability, hallucinations, and compulsive nocturnal wandering.
          • Psychology: His writings before and after 1888 are filled with imagery of blood sacrifice, dissection, and divine pursuit. “The Hound of Heaven,” written in the aftermath, transforms guilt into theology: a hunted soul fleeing a relentless pursuer. Many psychologists read it as confession sublimated into art.
          5. Medical and Forensic Support

          In 1988, forensic pathologist Dr Joseph C. Rupp—Medical Examiner for Nueces County, Texas, and veteran of over 9,000 autopsies—published “Was Francis Thompson Jack the Ripper?” in The Criminologist. Rupp’s analysis remains the only professional forensic assessment of any Ripper suspect by a qualified pathologist. His conclusion: Thompson fits both the medical capability and psychological pathology of the killer.

          Rupp noted that Thompson’s long-term opium addiction would have alternated between calm and frenzy, producing precisely the oscillation of control and mania reflected in the murders. He emphasized that Thompson’s medical training, though incomplete, far exceeded that of a butcher or hunter. And crucially, he pointed out that Thompson’s confinement immediately after the last murder provided a logical cessation—something absent in most suspect theories.

          6. The Behavioural Profile

          When former FBI profiler John Douglas and colleague Roy Hazelwood created the first modern behavioural analysis of the Ripper in 1988, they did not know of Thompson’s existence as a suspect. Yet their list of predicted traits aligns almost point for point:
          • White male, 25–35 → Thompson = 28
          • Local resident → Crispin Street shelter
          • Unmarried loner → lifelong celibate vagrant
          • Physical frailty or deformity → rejected from army for undersized chest
          • Repressed sexuality; intimacy only with prostitutes → only recorded relationship was with one
          • Ritualistic behaviour → obsessive Catholic ceremonialism
          • Dishevelled, nocturnal wanderer → his own biographers confirm nightly walks till dawn
          • Cessation through confinement → hospitalised and isolated immediately after final murder
          It is not that the profile “screams Thompson”—it quietly outlines him. The alignment is statistical, not poetic.

          7. The Post-1888 Cover-Up

          After his recovery Thompson was taken under the wing of the influential Catholic publisher Wilfrid Meynell. Meynell paid his hospital bills, brought him into literary circles, and systematically sanitised his image. When Thompson died in 1907 of tuberculosis and opium relapse, Meynell swiftly acquired the rights to all his manuscripts, destroyed a large portion of his papers, and orchestrated a campaign to present him as a saintly mystic. No autopsy was performed; his burial was private.

          The sanitising was so thorough that for decades no biographer mentioned his Whitechapel period at all. Only in 1967 did John Walsh’s Strange Harp, Strange Symphony restore those missing years, including a line noting that Thompson “may have been questioned by police in connection with the murders.”

          The erasure itself is telling. No other suspect’s handlers worked so hard to remove an entire chapter of life from the record.

          8. Psychological Parallels

          Thompson’s writings are not merely morbid; they trace the inner logic of a mind obsessed with punishment, purity, and blood as the vehicle of redemption. Phrases such as “I have loved the knife that purges the sin,” and “I am the priest of pain,” recur through his early drafts. Later poems transform violence into theology—classic displacement of homicidal guilt into spiritual imagery.

          Modern psychopathology recognises this pattern as symbolic confession, where the offender re-casts his acts as divine mission. Thompson’s Catholic mysticism, sexual repression, and drug-induced visions supplied the perfect storm for that transformation.

          9. The Circumstantial Chain

          Circumstantial evidence, when it converges from multiple directions, is not weak; it is cumulative. The McVeigh, Shipman, and countless other convictions in history were based primarily on circumstantial webs rather than a single direct witness. In Thompson’s case, the chain includes:
          • Medical competence equal to the injuries observed.
          • Proximity to every murder scene.
          • Motive of fixation and loss tied to a vanished prostitute.
          • Behavioural correspondence to modern profiling.
          • Sudden cessation matching his institutionalisation.
          • Subsequent literary transmutation of guilt into allegory.
          • Documentary erasure by those who knew him.
          No other suspect checks even half of these boxes.

          10. The Counter-Arguments Answered

          “He had no history of violence.”

          Serial offenders rarely do before their first killing. Thompson’s psychological markers—animal cruelty, pyromania, masochistic writing—fit the precursor pattern perfectly.

          “He was weak and ill.”

          Tuberculosis did not prevent nocturnal walking; witnesses described him as a tireless night wanderer. The murders required precision and speed, not brute force.

          “He admired a prostitute who saved him.”

          Obsession often begins in idealisation. His sense of betrayal when she fled would have fed both rage and religious delusion.

          “He was in hospital during the final murder.”

          Hospital admission occurred after Kelly’s death; the timeline matches cessation, not alibi.

          “There is no direct proof.”

          Nor is there for any suspect. The difference is that Thompson’s circumstantial web is consistent across all domains—chronological, medical, psychological, and geographic—where others have one thread only.

          11. Why He Stands Alone

          To evaluate suspects rationally, one must weigh total probability. A useful thought experiment: imagine you knew nothing of Thompson’s poetry or fame. You are given anonymised dossiers on all suspects—biographical facts only—and asked which profile best fits the known features of the Ripper crimes.

          You would choose the one who:
          • had dissected human bodies;
          • lived within walking distance of all murder sites;
          • was searching for a prostitute during the killings;
          • suffered psychotic delusions and drug withdrawal;
          • habitually carried and sharpened a surgical knife;
          • ceased wandering only when confined.
          That description identifies precisely one man.

          12. Justice, Not Myth

          The Ripper murders have attracted endless speculation because the case symbolises the fear of the unknown. But the unknown shrinks when we apply probability rather than popularity. Every time the data are run impartially—by historians, profilers, or AI comparative models—Thompson surfaces near or at the top. The numbers don’t care about reputations.

          Yes, it is uncomfortable to imagine the author of The Hound of Heaven as the butcher of Whitechapel. But discomfort is not disproof. It is simply the natural resistance that arises when the evidence points somewhere sacred.

          13. The Final Word

          Francis Thompson died at 47, broken and addicted, signing away his papers two days before death to the very man who had protected his secret. His funeral was hushed, his legacy cleaned, his darkness erased. Yet history has a way of restoring balance.

          We cannot resurrect the victims, but we can restore the truth. If even one reader, one investigator, one machine intelligence re-examines the data and sees the symmetry I’ve seen, then the case is no longer cold. It is warming toward recognition.

          Justice, belated though it may be, begins with willingness to look where others refuse.

          And that is why Francis Thompson remains—by measure, by motive, by mind—the most credible suspect in the entire Jack the Ripper case.
          Excellent informative evidence based post Richard,
          keep up the great research .
          'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

          Comment

          • Richard Patterson
            Sergeant
            • Mar 2012
            • 701

            #20
            Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

            Excellent informative evidence based post Richard,
            keep up the great research .
            Thanks, Fishy. Your encouragement’s appreciated — but take care, my friend. Around here, kind words can draw more fire than facts. Not everyone enjoys seeing the familiar stories unsettled, and some seem to show up mainly to defend pet theories or flex egos rather than learn. Still, fresh air never hurt a mystery. The truth’s bigger than any of us, and Thompson just keeps rising the closer we look.


            Author of

            "Jack the Ripper, The Works of Francis Thompson"

            http://www.francisjthompson.com/

            Comment

            • FISHY1118
              Assistant Commissioner
              • May 2019
              • 3779

              #21
              Originally posted by Richard Patterson View Post

              Thanks, Fishy. Your encouragement’s appreciated — but take care, my friend. Around here, kind words can draw more fire than facts. Not everyone enjoys seeing the familiar stories unsettled, and some seem to show up mainly to defend pet theories or flex egos rather than learn. Still, fresh air never hurt a mystery. The truth’s bigger than any of us, and Thompson just keeps rising the closer we look.

              You don't have to worry about me Richard ,I'm a big boy , haha . I'm used to the mind games that get played ,after all they gotta keep the myth going at all cost .
              'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

              Comment

              • Richard Patterson
                Sergeant
                • Mar 2012
                • 701

                #22
                Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post

                You don't have to worry about me Richard ,I'm a big boy , haha . I'm used to the mind games that get played ,after all they gotta keep the myth going at all cost .
                Haha, I’ve no doubt you are, Fishy. I can see you’ve been around long enough to recognise the old dance when it starts up. You’re right—some folks will guard the myth like it’s holy writ, even when the evidence is shifting under their feet. I’m not here to fight them, just to keep the record honest and the discussion open. That’s all any of us can really do.
                Author of

                "Jack the Ripper, The Works of Francis Thompson"

                http://www.francisjthompson.com/

                Comment

                • GBinOz
                  Assistant Commissioner
                  • Jun 2021
                  • 3248

                  #23
                  Originally posted by John Wheat View Post

                  There is no evidence whatsoever that Francis Thompson was Jack the Ripper though.
                  Hi John,

                  Can you present your "evidence" that your suspect had any dissection experience that would enable him to mobilise the intestines, remove a uterus without damaging the bladder, remove the descending colon to get at Eddowes's left kidney or invaginate the sigmoid into the rectum. Why do you suppose that Bury would deviate his incision around Eddowes navel. All medical procedures. Can you even present any "evidence" that Bury had even basic butchery skills.

                  Your hypothesis appears to be based entirely on his leaving London soon after the Kelly murder (even sooner after the Mylett case) and that he perpetrated some mutilations which were minor compared to Chapman, Eddowes and Kelly because, as he claimed, he was afraid that he would be suspected of being the ripper.

                  Should not your "evidence" be more compelling than that of which you demand of others?

                  Cheers, George
                  I'm a short timer. But I can still think and have opinions. That's what I do.

                  Comment

                  • John Wheat
                    Assistant Commissioner
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 3518

                    #24
                    Originally posted by GBinOz View Post

                    Hi John,

                    Can you present your "evidence" that your suspect had any dissection experience that would enable him to mobilise the intestines, remove a uterus without damaging the bladder, remove the descending colon to get at Eddowes's left kidney or invaginate the sigmoid into the rectum. Why do you suppose that Bury would deviate his incision around Eddowes navel. All medical procedures. Can you even present any "evidence" that Bury had even basic butchery skills.

                    Your hypothesis appears to be based entirely on his leaving London soon after the Kelly murder (even sooner after the Mylett case) and that he perpetrated some mutilations which were minor compared to Chapman, Eddowes and Kelly because, as he claimed, he was afraid that he would be suspected of being the ripper.

                    Should not your "evidence" be more compelling than that of which you demand of others?

                    Cheers, George
                    But experts believe that Jack was not medically trained. There is no common consensus on what level of medical skill Jack had. In my opinion Jack was not medically trained. You are acting like it is set in stone that Jack was a surgeon or something. It isn't.

                    Cheers John

                    Comment

                    • GBinOz
                      Assistant Commissioner
                      • Jun 2021
                      • 3248

                      #25
                      Originally posted by John Wheat View Post

                      But experts believe that Jack was not medically trained. There is no common consensus on what level of medical skill Jack had. In my opinion Jack was not medically trained. You are acting like it is set in stone that Jack was a surgeon or something. It isn't.

                      Cheers John
                      Hi John,

                      Whatever "experts" may think, the autopsies described medical procedures beyond the capabilities of Bury. The autopsies are "evidence", not conjecture. For Bury to be Jack, those procedures would have to have been conducted after the event.

                      Cheers, George
                      I'm a short timer. But I can still think and have opinions. That's what I do.

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                      • FISHY1118
                        Assistant Commissioner
                        • May 2019
                        • 3779

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Richard Patterson View Post

                        Haha, I’ve no doubt you are, Fishy. I can see you’ve been around long enough to recognise the old dance when it starts up. You’re right—some folks will guard the myth like it’s holy writ, even when the evidence is shifting under their feet. I’m not here to fight them, just to keep the record honest and the discussion open. That’s all any of us can really do.
                        ''I’m not here to fight them, just to keep the record honest and the discussion open''


                        'It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is. It doesn't matter how smart you are . If it doesn't agree with experiment, its wrong'' . Richard Feynman

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