What basis is there for a conspiracy theory?

[Simon Wood]

Hi Michael,

I cannot disagree.

Hutchinson is as phony as all get out.

Regards,

Simon

[Michael W Richards]

Hi Michael,

A word to the wise.

Your very relevant John Kelly questions will not win you any friends in the "Ripper was Real" fraternity.

Regards,

Simon

Winning people over isn't really my objective Simon...as you know, and see here daily. Finding truth among the bs piles is. I might ask the same question about Mary's "friend", George Hutchinson, who waited 4 days to come forward with information that, if true, might have helped catch the man that took her apart in her room. Some "friend",..and some "partner" in the case of the former.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Michael,

A word to the wise.

Your very relevant John Kelly questions will not win you any friends in the "Ripper was Real" fraternity.

Regards,

Simon

[Michael W Richards]

"Many's the time I have said to her, 'Well, Kate, you are my wife, and I'll keep you as well as I can," - John Kelly, Evening News, 10th October 1888

"I hope to Almighty God her soul's at rest," he said, fervently. "Many's the time I have said to her, 'Well, Kate, you are my wife, and I'll keep you as well as I can,' but when we had not the eightpence I took her to the casual ward - where there has been many a good mother's son - and which is better than the streets, because I thought it kept her out of immoral ways.""

Very caring, and considerate, isn't he? So....why did it take reading about the murders on Tuesday am before he even wondered where Kate was. Why, when he knew Kate was in jail Sat night, did he not wonder where she was Sunday morning at the latest? 2 more days before he even wondered? Words mean nothing when confronted with the realities of John Kelly.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Fiver,

I agree. Subtle is not a word you could attribute to the Whitechapel murders.

Please explain how the press succeeded in creating JtR.

Regards,

Simon

[Fiver]

Hi All,

Let's assume for a moment that the Whitechapel murders were part of a top secret official conspiracy.

Why were the brutal murders of five women considered less distressing to the public than the actuality of whatever was going on?

What could the police and government have been covering up which warranted their promulgation of JtR?

Regards,

Simon

A further question would be why such a murder conspiracy wouldn't be a lot more subtle.

[Fiver]

But I still believe JtR was a creation of the police.

While I feel that JtR was a creation of the press.

[Fiver]

Its in a press account of a Kelly interview, forgive me for not trawling through page after page for something I already know is there. What Wilkinson thought about the nature of the relationship, as well as Annie, is based on their own perceptions. What does John call Kate in the above quote? Does John say they were as man and wife? Does John say they were in essence married, virtually married, in a pseudo marriage, friends with benefits, a couple, …….

"Many's the time I have said to her, 'Well, Kate, you are my wife, and I'll keep you as well as I can," - John Kelly, Evening News, 10th October 1888

[Michael W Richards]

Hi All,

Let's assume for a moment that the Whitechapel murders were part of a top secret official conspiracy.

Why were the brutal murders of five women considered less distressing to the public than the actuality of whatever was going on?

What could the police and government have been covering up which warranted their promulgation of JtR?

Regards,

Simon

Oh, I don't know Simon...maybe the fact that HMG representatives were working with known terrorists, people who had planned to blow up HRH the year before...and paying them out of government coffers,... maybe the fact that public hearings were airing rumors that Parliamentary figures authorized political assassinations, ..theres 2 that I believe might factor in that kind of scenario. As you pointed out before, Marys murder was happily accepted as being committed by Jack by the Police, they did nothing to dispel that belief. To suit what purpose...

[Simon Wood]

Hi, A.B.E.,

I agree.

The conspiracy angle begins to crumble the moment you start to examine it.

But I still believe JtR was a creation of the police.

Regards,

Simon

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Hi All,

Let's assume for a moment that the Whitechapel murders were part of a top secret official conspiracy.

Why were the brutal murders of five women considered less distressing to the public than the actuality of whatever was going on?

What could the police and government have been covering up which warranted their promulgation of JtR?

Regards,

Simon

I suppose it's more a question of "why was the brutal and very public killing of otherwise anonymous women deemed to be the most effective solution to the problem?"
The general idea of unwanted, problematic people being bumped off by a concerned government isn't totally in the realm of fantasy, but I'd love to hear what situation occurred that the Whitechapel murders were the best answer to?
Did someone report to the higher echelons, maybe suggest quietly removing the upstart troublemaker only to receive the reply "no. what's best in this situation is to brutally kill them and leave them in public, of course,this won't serve as a warning since no one knows what's going on, but yes, that's definitely the only plan. By the way, can you make sure to leave some cryptic clues, but not at all the crime scenes. Maybe some graffiti?"

I could at a stretch agree that removing some bothersome slum dwellers was preferable to a national scandal, but by creating JtR? Not for me.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

Let's assume for a moment that the Whitechapel murders were part of a top secret official conspiracy.

Why were the brutal murders of five women considered less distressing to the public than the actuality of whatever was going on?

What could the police and government have been covering up which warranted their promulgation of JtR?

Regards,

Simon

[Michael W Richards]

I think people need to evaluate what they are saying when they mention a conspiracy...one definition is" An agreement, understanding

thestatement (oral or written) of an exchange ofpromises; "theyhad an agreementthat they wouldnot interfere in each other's business"; "there was an understanding between managementandthe workers".

The Evil Act Conspiracy, like the Royal Conspiracy theory, is a connotation that is always assumed when the word is used. All it need mean is to have people in agreement to do something.

I suggest in that context, there is ample room for conspiracies of all kinds here...police agreeing to withhold evidence from the public...conspiracy...people agreeing to a story that they will give to an official...conspiracy...people planning to do strike...conspiracy...people of the International Mens Club agreeing to hold viewings of the murder scene for money...conspiracy...People were planning an assassination at the very time these murders were taking place..a verified Conspiracy there.

The main investigators of the Ripper crimes were assigned from their regular roles to these cases....and they were all in jobs related to Espionage, National Security, Intelligence gathering, Terrorism...all were involved in creating, investigating and infiltrating conspiracies.

[Michael W Richards]

Basically, and with no disrespect for the victims, we're dealing with poor, downtrodden non-entities targeted by an opportunist killer or killers. In terms of conspiracies there's nothing to see here, folks. There is no more whiff of conspiracy connecting the victims of the Whitechapel Murders than there has been between the victims of any other serial killer, and why should there be?

Opportunistic killers of street walking women outdoors don't show up in peoples rooms in a tiny single entrance courtyard, while they are undressed. And then are allowed to stay by the soon to be murder victim.

Just because you don't see something Sam doesn't therefore mean it doesn't exist.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

How's this for a conspiracy? I once heard that (THE FOLLOWING POST HAS BEEN REDACTED AFTER LEGAL CONSULTATION)