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  • Herlock Sholmes
    Commissioner
    • May 2017
    • 22651

    #46
    Originally posted by Lombro2 View Post
    I can’t help it if the Victorians don’t make sense.

    Today we qualify it and say “That was quite a moment”.

    Try telling someone that was a moment and you might get “the look”.

    So what’s the necessity of saying the one occasion is “one of”. Just say it was “a” moment. We already know it’s one event. I know the answer.
    All you're doing here Lombro, is confusing two different definitions of the word "moment". One means "a brief period of time", the other means "importance".

    Say what you like about the Victorians but they were capable of speaking and understanding English.
    Herlock Sholmes

    ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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    • Lombro2
      Sergeant
      • Jun 2023
      • 643

      #47
      “One of moment” is a Victorian turn of phrase that became an expression still used today.

      30 examples to be found on Google books from the 19th Century. 30 for something normal and positive.

      ”One off (blank)” is another expression. But it’s used as a negative more than a positive.

      So how many examples would you think to find if it was a coinable phrase in Victorian England with the automatic personal usage in the negative connotation, and the word “off” in it, when there are so many more genteel words you can use?
      A Northern Italian invented Criminology but Thomas Harris surpassed us all. Except for Michael Barrett and his Diary of Jack the Ripper.

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      • Herlock Sholmes
        Commissioner
        • May 2017
        • 22651

        #48
        Originally posted by Lombro2 View Post
        “One of moment” is a Victorian turn of phrase that became an expression still used today.

        30 examples to be found on Google books from the 19th Century. 30 for something normal and positive.

        ”One off (blank)” is another expression. But it’s used as a negative more than a positive.

        So how many examples would you think to find if it was a coinable phrase in Victorian England with the automatic personal usage in the negative connotation, and the word “off” in it, when there are so many more genteel words you can use?
        Lombro, in no way is "one of moment" an expression but, more than that, I literally have no idea what it's got to do with the diary.

        I also have no idea why you are categorising things as "negative" and "positive", what criteria you are using to do this or, again, what any of it has to do with the diary.

        I'm sadly unable to answer the question in your final paragraph because it doesn't appear to be written in a language I understand or recognize.
        Herlock Sholmes

        ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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        • Lombro2
          Sergeant
          • Jun 2023
          • 643

          #49
          Don't have another meltdown.

          after rain this was one of moment i felt like the sky was



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          after rain this was one of moment i felt like the sky was nothing but a paint. spring afternoon. Done. Loading comments... Add comment. 6 views. 0 faves.John 18:35 Commentaries: Pilate answered, "I am not a ...



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          He admits that it was from the accusation of others; but then he tells the Saviour that the charge was one of moment, and worthy of the deepest attention. Kings visiting Hobbiton Village



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          That was one of moment where we felt Singapore is not a costlier place to live and eat. No doubt about it. For ex: Egg mayo Panini costs around 9 NZD and ...



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          I know I should do it face to face but It was one of moment which we really want to happen now and so I texted her some general things and ...
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          The learned counsel for the petitioner contends that the decision of the detaining authority was one of moment and of great consequence so far as the detenu ... Apex Fintech Solutions Study | Moment







          This is why I should teach English and you should go back to teaching French verb conjugation.
          Last edited by Lombro2; Today, 12:12 AM.
          A Northern Italian invented Criminology but Thomas Harris surpassed us all. Except for Michael Barrett and his Diary of Jack the Ripper.

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          • Lombro2
            Sergeant
            • Jun 2023
            • 643

            #50
            Capisce now? Everything started in the 60s. Orsam knows!

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            A Northern Italian invented Criminology but Thomas Harris surpassed us all. Except for Michael Barrett and his Diary of Jack the Ripper.

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            • Lombro2
              Sergeant
              • Jun 2023
              • 643

              #51
              Wait! I found "bugger off" in 1861 in the Vermont Supreme Court journal.

              Oh no! It says, "get the bugger off".

              Better keep looking.
              A Northern Italian invented Criminology but Thomas Harris surpassed us all. Except for Michael Barrett and his Diary of Jack the Ripper.

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              • Herlock Sholmes
                Commissioner
                • May 2017
                • 22651

                #52
                Originally posted by Lombro2 View Post
                Don't have another meltdown.

                after rain this was one of moment i felt like the sky was



                Flickr
                https://www.flickr.com › photos
                after rain this was one of moment i felt like the sky was nothing but a paint. spring afternoon. Done. Loading comments... Add comment. 6 views. 0 faves.John 18:35 Commentaries: Pilate answered, "I am not a ...



                Bible Hub
                https://biblehub.com › commentaries › john
                He admits that it was from the accusation of others; but then he tells the Saviour that the charge was one of moment, and worthy of the deepest attention. Kings visiting Hobbiton Village



                TravelArk
                https://v2.travelark.org › travel-blog-entry › cyberjai
                That was one of moment where we felt Singapore is not a costlier place to live and eat. No doubt about it. For ex: Egg mayo Panini costs around 9 NZD and ...



                Quora
                50+ answers · 9 years ago
                I know I should do it face to face but It was one of moment which we really want to happen now and so I texted her some general things and ...
                52 answers · Top answer: I was a portrait artist making top money in a zoo. One-day, a young and beautiful girl approached ... Hidden moments at Hidden Agenda



                Indian Kanoon
                https://indiankanoon.org › doc
                The learned counsel for the petitioner contends that the decision of the detaining authority was one of moment and of great consequence so far as the detenu ... Apex Fintech Solutions Study | Moment







                This is why I should teach English and you should go back to teaching French verb conjugation.

                I would love to know what, in your mind, you think you've achieved by posting those five extracts? You could post another 100 examples of people using the words "one of moment" and it still wouldn't make it an expression, if that's what you think you're doing.

                It has the same meaning as "one of importance". Is "one of importance" an expression in your mind?

                What about "one of beauty", "one of charm", "one of interest", "one of sorrow", "one of happiness", "one of mystery" etc.? Are these all expressions, do you think? They're all doing the same thing!!

                I appreciate that you seem to have discovered a new meaning for the word "moment" this week and that you're in a state of awe and wonder but has it occurred to you that everyone else on this board can speak English?

                Also, what do the words "one of moment" have to do with they diary?
                Herlock Sholmes

                ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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                • Herlock Sholmes
                  Commissioner
                  • May 2017
                  • 22651

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Lombro2 View Post
                  Wait! I found "bugger off" in 1861 in the Vermont Supreme Court journal.

                  Oh no! It says, "get the bugger off".

                  Better keep looking.
                  Is it your intention to investigate the origins of every expression with the word "off" in it, even when it has a different meaning to the "off" in "one off instance" and cannot be found in the diary?

                  Are you now labouring under the misapprehension that I’ve somewhere suggested that the words ‘one,’ ‘off’ and ‘instance’ don’t exist?

                  Well, good luck with that, Lombro. One thing you might want to bear in mind, though. David Orsam made clear that he didn't use Google Ngrams when doing his research into the origins of "one off" because it's not designed for that purpose and can produce misleading results.
                  Herlock Sholmes

                  ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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                  • Lombro2
                    Sergeant
                    • Jun 2023
                    • 643

                    #54
                    Since you rattled off numerous examples of “one of” referring to something spectacularly unique, and since Victorian books, as say the Bible, still have “of” spelled as “off”, I don’t know what you think you’ve accomplished with your meltdown over “one off instance”. There’s nothing “one of” or “one off” about “one off instance”.

                    Extraordinary claim require extraordinary proof. You can do a Melvin and say there’s nothing extraordinary about the diary so you can avoid the heavy onus but that’s just running away from the subject. Nothing wrong with running off though.
                    A Northern Italian invented Criminology but Thomas Harris surpassed us all. Except for Michael Barrett and his Diary of Jack the Ripper.

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