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  • The Baron
    Chief Inspector
    • Feb 2019
    • 1502

    #1

    The One Off Meltdown

    For years, one of the anti-diary camp’s loudest and most proudly parroted claims has been this:

    The phrase ‘one off instance’ is an anachronism! It didn’t exist in 1888. It’s post war. It proves the diary is fake.

    This argument has been repeated so often and so smugly, it’s become a kind of lazy shorthand, the go-to trump card for anyone trying to sound authoritative without doing a shred of serious research. But here’s the problem.. it’s dead wrong.

    Let’s cut straight through the smugness and get to the evidence.

    Multiple 19th century sources disprove this myth.

    The British press, Victorian, mainstream, and not written by time travelers, is filled with period uses of the exact same structure, it demonstrates the usage of “one off” in exactly the way critics claim is anachronistic, to describe rare, unique, or singular incidents.

    One off event
    One off chance
    One off opportunity
    One off moment
    One off accident


    All of these phrases appear in authentic 19th century British newspapers, fully consistent with the diary’s language and tone. In fact, “one off accident” appears in legal reporting, not fiction, not hearsay, showing the structure was in accepted use in official and serious contexts. These aren’t vague “might be” echoes. They’re concrete, documented uses.

    So much for the “didn’t exist before 1960” fairy tale.

    The “one off instance = modern = hoax” claim doesn’t hold up under scrutiny. It’s not that the evidence is missing, it’s that echo chamber logic has replaced actual investigation. This kind of reasoning thrives on repetition, not verification.
    It doesn’t take deep linguistic theory or obscure archives to uncover historical uses of one off with words like event, chance, moment, opportunity, and even accident, all it takes is a basic capacity for research and the willingness to question a tired narrative.

    So why do some still cling to this myth? Because it’s comfortable. It’s easy. It sounds like a silver bullet.. quick, clean, smugly delivered, and it avoids the uncomfortable truth.. that some details in the diary are harder to dismiss than others.

    Language isn’t frozen in time, the phrase “one off instance” fits grammatically and semantically with these known Victorian usages. It’s the same structure. The same syntax. The same intent. Arguing that “one off accident” was fine in Victorian era, but “one off instance” is magically impossible in 1888 is not a position, it’s a tantrum.

    You can’t selectively weaponize historical linguistics only when it fits your bias. That’s not skepticism. That’s intellectual fraud.

    The claim that “one off instance” proves the diary is a modern hoax has officially collapsed. If your anti-diary argument still leans on “one off instance = linguistic anachronism,” then your position is factually bankrupt. No more hiding behind confident tone and circular citations to “modern slang origins.” The phrase “one off” was demonstrably used in the Victorian era to describe unique or rare occurrences, in real English, by real people, in real documents.

    The record shows clearly that the structure “one off instance” was alive and well in Victorian Britain.

    There is no linguistic barrier that makes “one off instance” impossible or anachronistic.

    The anti-diary camp is left clinging to a myth that collapses the second you step into the historical record. Not only was “one off” in use, but it was fluid, idiomatic, and capable of expressing nuance in ways entirely compatible with the diary’s phrasing.

    In short.. The only thing “one off” about this argument is how many more times it can fail before they retire it for good

    Keep believing the diary is a hoax if you want, there are other reasons to do so. But this isn’t one of them anymore.

    This file is now under 'defeated and discarded'


    Published: Saturday 17 November 1877
    Newspaper: South Eastern Advertiser

    informed of th zelatomdel(‘:idodm con oreed at his previou could not become au ac %o become an honorary ¢ coast, and near to one off event of an invasion at lland, he felt no small deg] ing the district so well d laughter.) They loved all Englisfhme: -htauld ...


    Published: Tuesday 01 December 1874
    Newspaper: Birmingham Mail

    ENT NEWS CROYDON -This to the the In condition goodly number of competed attendance large-one keeping fine unpleasant one off event and in for Plate Belle below Selling Race AY 1 Potter filly Davis 3 (Mr Bambridge) (Marsh) Ruffle (Owner) Swell (I’Anson) ...


    Published: Monday 08 January 1894
    Newspaper: Sporting Life

    failed to score- Play was first at one end and then at the other «p to close half-time, when J. Cocdall missed an easy one off chance given him Bloomer. returned the compliment, and Bloomer marie mistake, so that Derby crossed over or© to the good. Soon ...


    Published: Saturday 27 January 1883
    Newspaper: Belfast Weekly News

    beat by a flush. sequence. That's my case, the aces would be good enough to back for tifty years, but there is just that one off chance, they may be rolled over. There, I've said my say, and open my mouth no more ; ask the Governor there next month whether ...


    Published: Saturday 06 October 1883
    Newspaper: Northern Scot and Moray & Nairn Express

    precedent for precedent's sake, and sense relatives--there's four of us in all— tangle we years, but there is jest ti one off chance, they may lavishness of art these two create—that mean had come is for • good thing. I bought • hunter—a be rolled over ...


    Published: Monday 19 January 1807
    Newspaper: Salisbury and Winchester Journal

    approbious epithets towards him, Mr. Meredith on his knees begged tor pardon life.—lt has been stated, that Mr. spi tol had •one off accident, but tliis could not happen, as Mi. Meridith's pistol had feather spring, was fired whilst Mr. Meridith took deliberate ...


    Published: Wednesday 12 March 1890
    Newspaper: Daily News (London)

    induce t i Iteo the *Atte 1 n 20 t 0 ?? Isaacs had Tr0 desire to b tid ibut, although he admitted tl idaly te pistol had t one off accident- ti prisonty in theo time was that the ti St baa ?? pistol at him at the time it waov 1s tusthgd det th be sa time there ...


    Published: Saturday 29 June 1895
    Newspaper: Sporting Gazette

    presence of the Prince of Wales, the Duke of York, and the Duke of Cambridge on the cross-benches marked the occasion as one off moment. The Peeresses' Galleries, however, made a brilliant display, being filled from end to end with the wives and daughters ...


    Published: Friday 20 March 1812
    Newspaper: Statesman (London)

    practice toe two squadrons in the. the active exertions of the country. Was this a Bay of Biscay, one off L'Orient, and • one off moment, then, to chill their spirits, and prevent their Rochefort, to watch the motions of the enemy. entering into the service ...


    Published: Saturday 25 June 1864
    Newspaper: Redditch Indicator

    the statistics of our vast and increasing population, that there are •,bousands among us, who, either from want of One, Off opportunity, are totally unable to quit their own native country and inspect for themselves beauties of foreign lands. In the tint ...




    The Baron​
  • rjpalmer
    Commissioner
    • Mar 2008
    • 4406

    #2
    Originally posted by The Baron View Post

    Published: Wednesday 12 March 1890
    Newspaper: Daily News (London)

    induce t i Iteo the *Atte 1 n 20 t 0 ?? Isaacs had Tr0 desire to b tid ibut, although he admitted tl idaly te pistol had t one off accident- ti prisonty in theo time was that the ti St baa ?? pistol at him at the time it waov 1s tusthgd det th be sa time there ...

    Your curiously garbled rendition convinced me that you didn't actually check the original text but are instead merely parroting the results you found in a search engine.

    You do realize what you've done, don't you?

    The "hits" you think you've found are really just the inability of the software to read the text correctly. When one checks the originals, your examples evaporate like water on a hot sidewalk.

    Here's the original passage in the Daily News of 12 March 1890:

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    The passage doesn't say "one off accident"

    It states "gone off accidently." The gun had gone off accidently.


    Your other alleged "examples" fall into the same category: software fails.

    This is the same mistake another poster made several years ago--relying of search engine results without bothering to check the original--- and yet you accuse the diary critics of "laziness."


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    • seanr
      Detective
      • Dec 2018
      • 453

      #3
      Checking each of the examples reveals similar errors exactly as rjpalmer suggests.

      Originally posted by The Baron View Post

      Published: Saturday 17 November 1877
      Newspaper: South Eastern Advertiser

      informed of th zelatomdel(‘:idodm con oreed at his previou could not become au ac %o become an honorary ¢ coast, and near to one off event of an invasion at lland, he felt no small deg] ing the district so well d laughter.) They loved all Englisfhme: -htauld ...

      This appears to be a mistranscription and does not in fact read “%o become an honorary ¢ coast, and near to one off event of an invasion at lland” but rather “Coming to the sea-coast, and near to one of the likeliest spots in the event of an invasion at land”


      Originally posted by The Baron View Post

      Published: Tuesday 01 December 1874
      Newspaper: Birmingham Mail

      ENT NEWS CROYDON -This to the the In condition goodly number of competed attendance large-one keeping fine unpleasant one off event and in for Plate Belle below Selling Race AY 1 Potter filly Davis 3 (Mr Bambridge) (Marsh) Ruffle (Owner) Swell (I’Anson) ...
      LATEST SPORTING NEWS

      CROYDEN RACE - THIS DAY

      Although owing to the recent heavy rains the course was in a very holding condition, a goodly number of animals competed, The attendance was not a large one, and the weather keeping fine, the afternoon was not an unpleasant one. Hilarity carried off the opening event.
      The scan and transcription has made garbled mess of that entry I’m afraid - “unpleasant one. Hilarity carried off” has unfortunately been recorded incorrectly as only “one off”



      Originally posted by The Baron View Post
      Published: Monday 08 January 1894
      Newspaper: Sporting Life

      failed to score- Play was first at one end and then at the other «p to close half-time, when J. Cocdall missed an easy one off chance given him Bloomer. returned the compliment, and Bloomer marie mistake, so that Derby crossed over or© to the good. Soon ...
      “J Goodall missed an easy one off a chance given him by Bloomer” - at least on this occasion the word ‘one’ did actually occur next to the ‘off’, but of course one is forming a noun phrase of ‘easy one’ and “off a chance” is a prepositional phrase as to how this ‘easy one’ came about.



      Originally posted by The Baron View Post
      Published: Monday 19 January 1807
      Newspaper: Salisbury and Winchester Journal

      approbious epithets towards him, Mr. Meredith on his knees begged tor pardon life.—lt has been stated, that Mr. spi tol had •one off accident, but tliis could not happen, as Mi. Meridith's pistol had feather spring, was fired whilst Mr. Meridith took deliberate ...
      Mistranscrbed, it doesn’t say “lt has been stated, that Mr. spi tol had. one off accident” but “It has been stated that Mr. Meredith’s pistol had gone off by accident”

      But really, who amongst us can honestly say they have never stated “Mr. spi tol had. one off accident”. I state this all the time.

      Mr. spi tol had. one off accident.


      ​​
      Originally posted by The Baron View Post
      Published: Wednesday 12 March 1890
      Newspaper: Daily News (London)

      induce t i Iteo the *Atte 1 n 20 t 0 ?? Isaacs had Tr0 desire to b tid ibut, although he admitted tl idaly te pistol had t one off accident- ti prisonty in theo time was that the ti St baa ?? pistol at him at the time it waov 1s tusthgd det th be sa time there ...
      I might expect “the pistol t one off accident - ti prisonty in theo time” might give hint that there has been a transcription error?
      Actual quote in the publication:
      “the pistol had gone off accidentally, his impression at the time”



      Originally posted by The Baron View Post

      Published: Saturday 29 June 1895
      Newspaper: Sporting Gazette

      presence of the Prince of Wales, the Duke of York, and the Duke of Cambridge on the cross-benches marked the occasion as one off moment. The Peeresses' Galleries, however, made a brilliant display, being filled from end to end with the wives and daughters ...
      Actual sentence: “The attendance was indeed far from being a record one, though the presence of the Prince of Wales, the Duke of York, and the Duke of Cambridge one the cross-benches marked the occasion as one of moment.”​



      Originally posted by The Baron View Post

      Published: Friday 20 March 1812
      Newspaper: Statesman (London)

      practice toe two squadrons in the. the active exertions of the country. Was this a Bay of Biscay, one off L'Orient, and • one off moment, then, to chill their spirits, and prevent their Rochefort, to watch the motions of the enemy. entering into the service ...
      Actual sentence: “It has been till lately, the uniform practice to keep two squadrons in the Bay of Biscay, one off L’Orient, and one off Rochefort, to watch the motions of the enemy”​



      Originally posted by The Baron View Post
      Published: Saturday 25 June 1864
      Newspaper: Redditch Indicator

      the statistics of our vast and increasing population, that there are •,bousands among us, who, either from want of One, Off opportunity, are totally unable to quit their own native country and inspect for themselves beauties of foreign lands. In the tint ...
      Actual sentence:

      “the statistics of our vast and increasing population, that there are thousands among us, who, either from want, means, time or opportunity, are totally unable to quit their own native country.”

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      • seanr
        Detective
        • Dec 2018
        • 453

        #4
        One example may actually be notable, although the Baron in haste has failed to note that two of his examples were reprints of the exact same thing.


        Originally posted by The Baron View Post

        Published: Saturday 27 January 1883
        Newspaper: Belfast Weekly News

        beat by a flush. sequence. That's my case, the aces would be good enough to back for tifty years, but there is just that one off chance, they may be rolled over. There, I've said my say, and open my mouth no more ; ask the Governor there next month whether ...
        Originally posted by The Baron View Post

        Published: Saturday 06 October 1883
        Newspaper: Northern Scot and Moray & Nairn Express

        precedent for precedent's sake, and sense relatives--there's four of us in all— tangle we years, but there is jest ti one off chance, they may lavishness of art these two create—that mean had come is for • good thing. I bought • hunter—a be rolled over ...
        It's a sentence from Chapter XL of ‘At Fault’ by Hawley Smart, a serial novel printed in both the Belfast Weekly News and Northern Scot and Moray & Nairn Express in 1883.

        “That’s my case, the aces would be good enough to back for fifty years, but there is just that one off chance, they may be rolled over.”

        This really is a one off!
        Last edited by seanr; Today, 02:44 PM.

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        • rjpalmer
          Commissioner
          • Mar 2008
          • 4406

          #5
          Originally posted by The Baron View Post

          Published: Tuesday 01 December 1874
          Newspaper: Birmingham Mail

          ENT NEWS CROYDON -This to the the In condition goodly number of competed attendance large-one keeping fine unpleasant one off event and in for Plate Belle below Selling Race AY 1 Potter filly Davis 3 (Mr Bambridge) (Marsh) Ruffle (Owner) Swell (I’Anson) ...
          Does this passage really refer to a "one off event"?

          Here's the original:

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          The words that make up the phrase "one off event" are sprinkled throughout two different sentences!


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          • seanr
            Detective
            • Dec 2018
            • 453

            #6
            The Oxford English Disctionary state their earliest evidence for one-off is from 1934 in the Proceedings of the Institute of British Foundrymen.

            Should we call Oxford to let them know about the work of Hawley Smart?

            Mr. spi tol had. one off accident.
            Last edited by seanr; Today, 02:53 PM.

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            • Herlock Sholmes
              Commissioner
              • May 2017
              • 22572

              #7
              Originally posted by seanr View Post
              One example may actually be notable, although the Baron in haste has failed to note that two of his examples were reprints of the exact same thing.






              It's a sentence from Chapter XL of ‘At Fault’ by Hawley Smart, a serial novel printed in both the Belfast Weekly News and Northern Scot and Moray & Nairn Express in 1883.

              “That’s my case, the aces would be good enough to back for fifty years, but there is just that one off chance, they may be rolled over.”

              This really is a one off!
              Hi Sean,

              That's talking about an ‘off chance’. It's a different expression.
              Herlock Sholmes

              ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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              • seanr
                Detective
                • Dec 2018
                • 453

                #8
                Ahh, [that one] [off chance]. Yes, that makes sense in context, the characters are discussing poker strategy.

                The 1934 Proceedings of the Institute of British Foundrymen still stands undefeated!

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                • Herlock Sholmes
                  Commissioner
                  • May 2017
                  • 22572

                  #9
                  Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post

                  Does this passage really refer to a "one off event"?

                  Here's the original:

                  Click image for larger version  Name:	Birmingham Mail 1 Dec 1874.jpg Views:	6 Size:	136.1 KB ID:	857640

                  The words that make up the phrase "one off event" are sprinkled throughout two different sentences!

                  Thanks Roger.

                  As I've said many times, and I hope people will now start to listen, there will never be a discovery of "a one off" to mean a unique occurrence in the nineteenth century because "one off" did not bear the meaning of uniqueness at any time during that century.

                  The phrase ‘one off instance’ is an anachronism that couldn’t have been used by James Maybrick. It proof positive that the diary is a forgery.

                  What do you expect next…

                  Acceptance and apology or silence.
                  Herlock Sholmes

                  ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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                  • Herlock Sholmes
                    Commissioner
                    • May 2017
                    • 22572

                    #10
                    Originally posted by seanr View Post
                    Ahh, [that one] [off chance]. Yes, that makes sense in context, the characters are discussing poker strategy.
                    It did raise an eyebrow though when you posted it though Sean. Good stuff
                    Herlock Sholmes

                    ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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                    • rjpalmer
                      Commissioner
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 4406

                      #11
                      Originally posted by The Baron View Post

                      Published: Monday 08 January 1894
                      Newspaper: Sporting Life

                      failed to score- Play was first at one end and then at the other «p to close half-time, when J. Cocdall missed an easy one off chance given him Bloomer. returned the compliment, and Bloomer marie mistake, so that Derby crossed over or© to the good. Soon ...
                      Not to flog a dead horse, but here's how this one went wrong:

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                      The transcription posted by The Baron left out the article "a," which changes the entire meaning of the sentence.

                      Goodall missed an easy one....off a chance given him by Bloomer, which is just another way of saying "due to an opportunity."


                      Note: I realize that Sean already corrected this, but I thought it would be useful to see an image of the original to drive home the fact that one can't trust transcriptions. One needs to check with the originals. Thanks, Sean.
                      Last edited by rjpalmer; Today, 03:32 PM.

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                      • Herlock Sholmes
                        Commissioner
                        • May 2017
                        • 22572

                        #12
                        Originally posted by rjpalmer View Post

                        Not to flog a dead horse, but here's how this one went wrong:

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                        The transcription posted by The Baron left out the article "a," which changes the entire meaning of the sentence.

                        Goodall missed an easy one....off a chance given him by Bloomer, which is just another way of saying "due to an opportunity."
                        Flog away Roger
                        Herlock Sholmes

                        ”I don’t know who Jack the Ripper was…and neither do you.”

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                        • Geddy2112
                          Inspector
                          • Dec 2015
                          • 1369

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
                          As I've said many times, and I hope people will now start to listen, there will never be a discovery of "a one off" to mean a unique occurrence in the nineteenth century because "one off" did not bear the meaning of uniqueness at any time during that century.
                          Not even a one off occurrence of one off? What about 'one off the wr...' ah no nevermind
                          "The Lechmere theory never shoehorns facts. It deals in facts."

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                          • Iconoclast
                            Commissioner
                            • Aug 2015
                            • 4264

                            #14
                            Originally posted by seanr View Post
                            One example may actually be notable, although the Baron in haste has failed to note that two of his examples were reprints of the exact same thing.

                            It's a sentence from Chapter XL of ‘At Fault’ by Hawley Smart, a serial novel printed in both the Belfast Weekly News and Northern Scot and Moray & Nairn Express in 1883.

                            “That’s my case, the aces would be good enough to back for fifty years, but there is just that one off chance, they may be rolled over.”

                            This really is a one off!
                            Hi Sean,

                            Many thanks for posting a great example ("that one off chance" meaning a single unusual - but not unique - chance) the premise for which is syntactically the same as someone stating that hitting his wife would not happen again because it was "a one off instance". Of course, James Maybrick in the James Maybrick scrapbook did exactly that and - by it, as I have stated many times and been roundly mocked for doing so - he could have meant "a one 'off' instance". If one is permitted to type (and then publish) an 'off chance' in 1883, why is one not also permitted to write an 'off instance' in 1888? I can answer my own question, of course, which is that - to agree to this premise - one's argument around the evidence for a hoax falls immediately away and that is not to be permitted around these here parts.

                            So, it may well be (though we still don't know for certain) that the expression "one-off instance" was impossible in 1888, but can we still say - in all seriousness - that the expression "one 'off' instance" was also impossible in 1888 given its syntactic equivalent used at least as early as six years beforehand?

                            Obviously, we all know what's coming - the denial of the possibility of syntactic equivalence (probably via lengthy posts deconstructing the term 'syntactic equivalence' - as if my choice of terminology has any bearing whatsoever on the truthfulness of the premise) from all the usual suspects (well, the two of them) so I shan't be engaging in the to-and-fro and the dance moves of making something possible appear quite impossible. I've made my point, and I'm not sure I have anything to add to it after your generous identification of the very thing I would have been looking for had I arsed myself to (and certainly not whilst simultaneously watching Celtic versus St. Mirren now that the Scottish season has started).

                            I'll just end by reminding everyone of something which I think Caz first noted - namely, that if the expression used in the scrapbook was meant to convey "a one-off instance" then it is immediately followed by a tautology as the next claim is (the equivalent of) "Never to be repeated" - whereas no such tautology leads from "a one 'off' instance" as it is a claim that the instance was simply unusual or out-of-character rather than necessarily 'unique'. So James Maybrick writing that hitting his wife was nothing but an abhorrent instance fits perfectly with his following claim that it will not happen again. If you don't like his use of "a one", by the way, you should spend more time in northern England where it is perfectly common to create redundancy by using the two words together. My own mother used it all her life. If I said to her (as I frequently did), "Would you like a cup of tea, Mam?", she'd say to me, "Yes, I would love a one". I take it that a Scouser in the nineteenth century may well have been no different to a Geordie in the twentieth century in this respect (and - even if you don't accept such redundancy as being a common feature of northern dialects, I would remind you all that this was just someone writing and not all appropriate literary conventions can be assumed of someone writing their thoughts as they come to them).

                            So thank you for that, Sean. Anyone old enough to remember, for example, the certain fact that Michael Maybrick did not write lyrics? That didn't age well, now did it? And yet it was commonly trumpeted as all the evidence we all needed in order to know the scrapbook was a hoax. As usual, the 'killer blow' that exposes the hoax falls apart under a little scrutiny (but watch out for the frantic spluttering of the naysaying classes - any moment now...).

                            Ike


                            Iconoclast
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                            • seanr
                              Detective
                              • Dec 2018
                              • 453

                              #15
                              The Oxford English Dictionary cites the earliest use of 'off chance' to Bell's Life in London and Sporting Chronicle in 1839. This origin would tend to link the use of the phrase to gambling slang.

                              On the other hand the phrase 'off instance', well the OED has 0 results for "off instance".
                              Last edited by seanr; Today, 05:00 PM.

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