New Ideas and New Research on the Diary

[caz]

My one and only contribution to this thread is this….’one off instance’ is 100%, categorically an anachronism which proves, conclusively proves, that the diary is a modern forgery. Robert Smith isn’t short of a few quid is he? So why doesn’t he try and knock down the main argument against the diary being a fake? He could invest a few quid, hire an Etymologist to research the subject, and then he could crow until his heart was content that ‘one off instance’ could have been used by Maybrick after all. Simples. Job done. But in all these years neither he nor anyone else has taken that step. Why? Because they know what the answer would be. FAKE.

Is this a 'new idea' or 'new research' I see before me?

Or just another dagger, aimed at someone who doesn't post here, whose personal finances, and what he may or may not currently be doing about the diary, are none of anyone's damned business?

Harrumph.

Love,

Caz
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[Mike J. G.]

Hi Mike.

That's interesting. The article states that the Liverpool Horse's Rest moved to that site in 1937. The photograph is also listed as being taken in 1937.

According to an advertisement in the Post of the R.S.P.C.A., the previous site of the Horse's Rest was in Broadgreen.




The date on the headstone shows that 'Chubby' died in 1929, so instead of this being a 'pet cemetery,' I wonder if this is at the Horse's Rest at Broadgreen, Liverpool?


Mrs. Mary Pennell, who apparently erected the headstone was also associated with the R.S.P.C.A. who ran cat shelters as well as the horse's rest.



It would certainly fit.

Allo, RJ.

I was wondering the same thing, although this article states that there was a pet cemetery in Halewood as far back as at least 1922, which is apparently the oldest date on one of the headstones. This is the same area where Blackie was buried.

https://portal.ariadne-infrastructure.eu/resource/eb8addefdc762edc3353b5a45996558517af8dec8e5172814dbf55b6c895e0ac

[Lombro2]

I'm just highlighting the main points of the Barrett Theory that everyone who swears by it needs to be aware of.... Including the Donkey.... Why are you not interested?

You should be glad there's a Noah in the desert covering the outside possibility. You never know if you might need to jump on the ship of fools.

[Herlock Sholmes]

The diary is a categorically proven forgery. All the silly comments in the world won’t change that. We have explained the ‘one off’ refutation to you numerous times and all that you’ve done is displayed in post after post that you simply don’t understand the point. You can’t do or you wouldn’t have made the posts that you have made. It can’t be explained in simpler terms so I have to wonder whether your actually do understand that it’s a forgery but keep the ‘argument’ going just for the sake of it.

It’s a forgery. That should be an end of it.

[Lombro2]

Nothing New Nothing Real.

[John Wheat]

Yes, and it would also be a good place to put your horse in this race to rest.


In Loving Memory of

-- Barrett Hoax Theory --

The dear and affectionate little friend of

R & J Palmer

Died February 23, 2025

"In Hopelessness"

Ridiculous post. The Diary was penned by The Barretts.

[Lombro2]

Yes, and it would also be a good place to put your horse in this race to rest.


In Loving Memory of

-- Barrett Hoax Theory --

The dear and affectionate little friend of

R & J Palmer

Died February 23, 2025

"In Hopelessness"

[rjpalmer]

A recent discovery on a field once owned by the RSPCA in Halewood was the grave of a war horse named Blackie who served in World War 1.

Hi Mike.

That's interesting. The article states that the Liverpool Horse's Rest moved to that site in 1937. The photograph is also listed as being taken in 1937.

According to an advertisement in the Post of the R.S.P.C.A., the previous site of the Horse's Rest was in Broadgreen.




The date on the headstone shows that 'Chubby' died in 1929, so instead of this being a 'pet cemetery,' I wonder if this is at the Horse's Rest at Broadgreen, Liverpool?


Mrs. Mary Pennell, who apparently erected the headstone was also associated with the R.S.P.C.A. who ran cat shelters as well as the horse's rest.



It would certainly fit.

[Mike J. G.]

Hi Lombro,

Congratulations, but alas, you're seven years, one month, and one day late to the party. I posted this same image back in January 2018:

Acquiring A Victorian Diary - Casebook: Jack the Ripper Forums


I, too, thought it mighty coincidental that Merseyside, of all places, had a pet cemetery where donkeys roamed free, and that the image of a donkey by a grave dated to between the two wars...which is oddly suggestive of Barrett's description of the supposedly imaginary photo album.

If I recall, when I originally posted the image Caroline Brown dismissed it as another one of Barrett's lies---speculating that he had seen the donkey photo sometime during his life and just threw it in to his supposedly fictional confession as a bit of useful detail.

I don't find that very convincing. What would be the point of inventing a photograph of a donkey by a grave that no one would be able to verify or confirm? Would such a ploy have even crossed his mind?

After all, it took a quarter of a century for such a photograph to show up on the internet---was Barrett playing the 'long game'?

Or were these donkeys in the pet cemetery local Liverpool celebrities and showed up in local photo albums in the 1930s and 40s?

(Melvin Harris, skeptical that the Maybrick photo album was necessarily Victorian, said he saw very similar albums, with similar bindings, dating to as late as the 1930s)

Are you still convinced the album was a figment of Barrett's imagination?

Regards,

The Professor or The Madman--take your pick.

I wonder where that picture was taken...

A recent discovery on a field once owned by the RSPCA in Halewood was the grave of a war horse named Blackie who served in World War 1.

This is a stone's throw from where I work, and the grave was actually found and reported by a groundsman from my workplace who was never credited.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2q0nw256lko.amp

[Mike J. G.]

Now I know nobody can sit on a Jack the Ripper diary for even five minutes, much less 100 years. At least, not in Liverpool.

Go on, enlighten me...

[Lombro2]

I was 100% convinced of that Family Provenance because I tended to give women the benefit of the doubt. Then I researched it to death, going back to Formby and Yapp and the laundry service that fenced items stolen by maids, and couldn't prove it.

Now I know nobody can sit on a Jack the Ripper diary for even five minutes, much less 100 years. At least, not in Liverpool.

[rjpalmer]

Tracing the photograph or photo album after all these years is wildly improbable, but the headstone reads "Chubby, the Dear & Affectionate Little Friend of H & M Pennell."

The 1921 UK Census lists Harriett & Mary Pennell, two spinster sisters, living at 9 Brougham Terrace, Everton, Liverpool.

Mary was a member of the Royal Human Society and ran a cat shelter in Brougham Terrace.

[Scott Nelson]

If I recall, when I originally posted the image Caroline Brown dismissed it as another one of Barrett's lies---speculating that he had seen the donkey photo sometime during his life and just threw it in to his supposedly fictional confession as a bit of useful detail.

Maybe it came from Billy Graham, or one of his parents?

[Lombro2]

So what if the case is square as opposed to (what?) round? Who would add details that are unprovable and who would believe it?

Who would give details of a modern hoax before it's even proven to be a modern hoax? Five pages worth too?!

I'll give you five pages on the feeding and mating habits of the Sasquatch! It'll have lots of details. Then you'll believe!

[rjpalmer]

Hi Markus,

If you're looking for a round nautical compass in a square encasement, you can pick them up on eBay for around $30--fingers included.

Antique Brass Brinton Square Compass Nautical Working Designer For BEST GIFTS | eBay

Just find a rusty nail, scribble a few messages on the inside cover, and you'll be in business.

Cheers.