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  • When Did "One Off" Take Off?

    This question seems to have caused some displeasure resulting in some censure.

    Unfortunately, I was unable to read what was said so I'll put the question here with the appropriate Google Ngram.


    When did "One Off" take off?


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    Here's one of my favourites, namely "spread(ing) mayhem"
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    Last edited by Sam Flynn; Yesterday, 09:08 PM.
    Kind regards, Sam Flynn

    "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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      One of my favourites too. Looks like 'spreading mayhem' has never been popularly recorded in the books sampled by Google Ngrams (which the Viscount L. has shown escalated rapidly in the 20th century, somewhat biasing against the 19th century).
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      • #4
        "One off" took off in 2000.

        So the question is, Why did this fact cause my fellow debunkers so much vexation, to the point of spreading "mayhem" in the sense Edgar Rice Burroughs used it in Tarzan of the Apes in 1912?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Lombro2 View Post
          "One off" took off in 2000.

          So the question is, Why did this fact cause my fellow debunkers so much vexation, to the point of spreading "mayhem" in the sense Edgar Rice Burroughs used it in Tarzan of the Apes in 1912?
          Mayhem back then meant physical injury. It only took on its present meanting of "chaos/disorder" in the latter half of the 20th century, and it is in this sense that the diary author(s) used it.
          Kind regards, Sam Flynn

          "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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          • #6
            I should explain the "one off" question fairly and simply.


            One-off, two-off, three-off etc. originated as production terms for quantities of items produced that may or may not be unique.

            In the 40s, "one-off" began to be used in print to describe something unique. It didn't mean one item necessarily. It could be a one-off person, or it could be a one-off car and they made hundreds of them. Obviously, he picked the term "one-off" and not "a hundred off".

            Then the term "one-off" was used to describe abstract as well as physical objects.



            Here is an example of how term "one off" is used or misused today from an article just last week. It's used like in the diary to refer to an aberration rather than something "unique" but it adds "unusual" as an adjective.


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            • #7
              Originally posted by Lombro2 View Post
              I should explain the "one off" question fairly and simply.
              Viscount L., you are about 13.8 billion light years behind Lord Orsam on this. I wouldn't try schooling anyone on 'one-off' whilst it is not illegal for him to have his own website.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post

                Mayhem back then meant physical injury. It only took on its present meanting of "chaos/disorder" in the latter half of the 20th century, and it is in this sense that the diary author(s) used it.
                May comes and goes
                In the dark of the night
                he kisses the whores
                then gives them a fright
                With a ring on my finger
                and a knife in my hand
                This May spreads Mayhem
                all through the land
                throughout this fair land.

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                With a ring on my finger
                and a knife in my hand
                This May spreads Mayhem
                throughout this fair land.

                What does Maybrick mean by 'spreads Mayhem'? Note, he uses the word twice in his scrapbook and on both occasions (they are linked, obviously) he capitalises 'mayhem' because he is playing around with the 'May' in 'Maybrick'. He wants a word he can 'own' which conveys danger, threat, terror This was as a direct result of seeing the line in Punch magazine, 'Turn around three times and catch whom you may' which tickled him immensely for obvious reasons.

                I don't think we need to dig any deeper than this. If it is true (and I don't think this has ever actually been established) that 'mayhem' to Maybrick must have meant 'physical injury', there is nothing stopping him from using the word in the context he did in order to get the first three letters of his surname into his doggerel. The issue is not that he did so but that he implied this 'Mayhem' would be spread throughout the land which makes his 'Mayhem' sound far more like the modern use of 'mayhem' (to cause chaos and panic).

                I would be the first to agree that this would be highly prescient of him if 'mayhem' up to that point had never - in any context - meant anything other than 'physical injury' but we have seen coincidences in this case pile up one on top of the other so we need more information on the truth of the range of use of 'mayhem' in Victorian times before we can categorically exclude its use (bar outlandish coincidence) by James Maybrick in his murder scrapbook.

                On a pedantic note, Maybrick did claim to have committed a murder in Manchester as a trial run for his Whitechapel crimes so it is not beyond the realms of possibility that he was, indeed, using the word to mean 'physical injury' which only he knew he had 'spread ... throughout this fair land'.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lombro2 View Post

                  Then the term "one-off" was used to describe abstract as well as physical objects.
                  Slight correction - it became an expression used to describe abstract objects at some point in time. Arguably, the diary takes it one step further, and uses "one-off" to describe, not an object, but a unique event.
                  Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                  "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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