The Diary — Old Hoax or New or Not a Hoax at All?​

[Herlock Sholmes]

Constant recourse to desperate ‘wriggle room’ tactics demonstrates clearly the weakness of your arguments Lombro. You remind me of those fundamentalists who say things like “God put fossils there as a test of faith.” Every time you do it you show that you are employing a kind of ‘bunker mentality.’ A ‘defend-at-all-costs’ outlook to the case when it should be that we just look for what is either certainly true or likeliest to have been true. There are a few who have circled the wagons and are trapped in the cause of defending an obvious forgery.

That should read “aren’t constrained by the need to make sense” of course.

[Lombro2]

Hoax. More holes in it than the Royal Conspiracy.

I can only think of one and that’s the hole in Battlecrease that the Diary and the Watch came out of.

[Lombro2]

I thought it was the devil who put the dinosaur bones there!

[Lombro2]

I laugh at all the “constraining” talk. You forget “I know what you did last summer” on the other site.

You had no problem there when they offered the doppelgänger key theory. George Damon didn’t hire the killer who left the key on his property but instead made a duplicate key just for publicity.

Too much Coco Puffs at the Cereal Killer restaurant?

[Lombro2]

Rhetoric translation:

I say Mary’s key was probably found and taken by the killer, and the reportage was wrong, and I’m crazy.

You take conflicting reports and first say the key was lost forever and then say it was found. The witnesses were 100%, even when they aren’t, and the reportage was good and so I know everything. Thank you.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Do you type with your eyes closed Lombro? None of your posts make sense. They read like random words put together.

‘Doppelgänger key theory???’ I haven’t a clue what you’re on about…neither do you…neither does anyone.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Rhetoric translation:

I say Mary’s key was probably found and taken by the killer, and the reportage was wrong, and I’m crazy.

You take conflicting reports and first say the key was lost forever and then say it was found. The witnesses were 100%, even when they aren’t, and the reportage was good and so I know everything. Thank you.

See what I mean….

Absolutely meaningless.

[Observer]

Does that change the way Bury is overlooked for being an ordinary loser type? Also people believe Maybrick was the Ripper and he was a top hated toff.

I'd say Maybrick was more of an upper middle class toff, tather than yer genuine top toff. But who hated him? I'll bet his wife wasn't too fond of him when he gave her a back hander,. However would that action extend to her hating him? I don't know. Shady deals on the cotton exchange floor could induce someone to hate him I suppose.

Yes there are 2 posters who believe Maybrick was the Ripper, so being more than one i suppose you could call them people.

[Lombro2]

I guess that makes me 50% of the "people".

So 50% of the people agree with Observer. Maybrick was not a top hated toff. The top hated toffs would be lower level government workers like William Suff. We have some of those here.

Those guys are the Suff of Nightmares!

[Lombro2]

Okay it was not last summer but three winters ago. I guess it's hard to keep track when you're policing at least three websites and don't have total recall for true crime.

A while ago, Pete ... came up with a '4th Scenario' which sounds plausible to me. That being C. Kniclo leaving Room 31 temporarily and coming back to a corpse. In the interim, Pete theorizes Ali came over, murdered Brown, and left. In Peter's theory, C. Kniclo takes the key, locks the door, and bolts to New Jersey.

We could call this reasonable doubt as to C. Kniclo's guilt.

I would add the possible fabrication of the key by George Damon for purposes unknown, only speculated on. No person in the metro NY area would have been any better at taking a generic 'blank' and creating a replica of the room key than Damon....

And you ?

Michael B...
February 04, 2023, 06:20:02 pm
Pete’s scenario is certainly a possibility How. It would probably require Kniclo to have been out of the room for a fair length of time but that could have been the case....

Reasonable Doubt : Ali & C. Kniclo

[Herlock Sholmes]

Okay it was not last summer but three winters ago. I guess it's hard to keep track when you're policing at least three websites and don't have total recall for true crime.

Reasonable Doubt : Ali & C. Kniclo

So are you trying to prove that I accept that the phenomena of ‘reasonable doubt’ exists? By reading any of my posts on here I would have thought that was obvious Lombro. But the important word there is ‘reasonable.’ Your interpretation of this appears to be ‘anything that isn’t absolutely impossible no matter how ridiculously unlikely.’

That Mary Kelly had a random key lying around (despite being dirt poor and having virtually no personal possessions) and that the killer just happened to take this key away is not an example of ‘reasonable doubt.’ It’s an example of ‘desperately trying to wriggle out of every point against Pretend Maybrick.’ How many ‘1% chances of being true’ would you allow someone because Pretend Maybrick appears to require an exhaustive supply of them.

Another example is that after the Stride murder Pretend Maybrick said that less than 15 minutes after being disturbed by Diemschitz, and desperate for a victim to mutilate, he finds Catherine Eddowes. And let’s remember, he’s not writing this up months later when poor memory could result. So Eddowes leaves the police station at 1.00. Stride is killed just before 1.00 so this means that Pretend Maybrick would have met up with Eddowes at 1.10ish. Desperate to satisfy his bloodlust what does he do? Apparently, according to Lawende and co (which almost everyone concurs with) he stands around talking with her for 20-25 minutes before taking her into Mitre Square.

Not absolute proof of course but this is another highly unlikely to add to the list.

[John Wheat]

I'd say Maybrick was more of an upper middle class toff, tather than yer genuine top toff. But who hated him? I'll bet his wife wasn't too fond of him when he gave her a back hander,. However would that action extend to her hating him? I don't know. Shady deals on the cotton exchange floor could induce someone to hate him I suppose.

Yes there are 2 posters who believe Maybrick was the Ripper, so being more than one i suppose you could call them people.

In virtually every depiction of Maybrick he is wearing a top hat and looks rich and well dressed. E.g. a Top Hated Toff.

[Observer]

In virtually every depiction of Maybrick he is wearing a top hat and looks rich and well dressed. E.g. a Top Hated Toff.

I beg to differ, I still don't regard him as a top toff. As I said earlier Randolph Churchill was definitely a top toff, and was hated for his elitist behaviour. Do you know whilst campaigning for election he resented the fact that he had to enter dirty homes, and shake dirty hands. A marginal Ripper suspect though. So all in all I would consider Maybrick a upper middle class(possibly) hated toff