The Diary — Old Hoax or New or Not a Hoax at All?​

[Scott Nelson]

MayBea you're from San Fran, like me?

[Lombro2]

I'm from the Land Up Over. On The Beach was one of my favorite books and I caught some of the movie on TV once. Now it looks like it's time for everyone to go Down Under.

[Lombro2]

Is there anything about this diary that you can’t twist to try and make it seem real? Barrett tried to buy a Victorian diary - there is no defence for this. A jury would find absolute guilt in this. That a well to do businessman can’t find or buy a diary or some kind of notebook or letter book but instead resorts to tearing pages out of a book used for photographs is additional proof. Put this in a court of law and the Judge wouldn’t have time to take off his wig and take a sip from his cup of tea before he’d be told that the jury were coming back. Unanimously guilty. Diary a forgery. Game over.

The Judge was probably a big wig lawyer once and so he probably has no friggin' clue about the criminal classes either and wouldn't know a fence if he sat on one.

He probably doesn't know a damn thing about cold-blooded women killers either. And probably thinks Scrooge would go out and buy a proper diary and a watch, both with a proper monogram like Hitler would, as he keeps account of his female holocaust, and not use some old accounting book with blank pages. Your ideas are Scrooge and Judge Turpin and Pickton approved.

[Paddy Goose]

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Thank you, Paddy.

Surviving Diariist and MJWilsonist.

You are most welcome Lombro2 and the pleasure is all mine. And of course you get a complimentary toddy just for sticking around a bit.

By the way, are you from Down Under? If so, the relevant movie for you would surely by On the Beach about the survivors in Melbourne after a nuclear bomb. In which case the female part was played by the lovely Ava Gardner.

[Paddy Goose]

Specifically, I more & more think of it as Hell in the Pacific--just me (Lee Marvin) and Toshirō Mifune (Ike), but I don't mind assuming the Japanese role.

Yes, that's a good one Rog, thank you.

But here's the thing. I'm thinking of a movie type that had at least one female character




Which begs the question -Where's Caz?

I always thought of her as one of the brave steadfast Surviving Diarists.

[Lombro2]

You're more like the colonialist helping the British fight the Battle of Britain against one Braveheart and one Barbarian.

I salute you - Surviving Diariists, regardless of your take on it, pro or con.

Paddy

Thank you, Paddy.

Surviving Diariist and MJWilsonist.

[Herlock Sholmes]

I can't help myself, but these Diary threads remind me of a movie where there are only three people left in the world after a huge blowup. Mankind is kaput. But those handful of people have the will to survive. I admire you small group which gathers here incessantly to parse the machinations of the 1990's. It takes stamina. Staying power.

Again, I salute you - Surviving Diariists, regardless of your take on it, pro or con.

Paddy

And I just turn up now and again to see if the white flag is ever finally raised.

[rjpalmer]

I can't help myself, but these Diary threads remind me of a movie where there are only three people left in the world after a huge blowup. Mankind is kaput. But those handful of people have the will to survive. I admire you small group which gathers here incessantly to parse the machinations of the 1990's. It takes stamina. Staying power.

Specifically, I more & more think of it as Hell in the Pacific--just me (Lee Marvin) and Toshirō Mifune (Ike), but I don't mind assuming the Japanese role.

I like the Japanese.

[Paddy Goose]

I can't help myself, but these Diary threads remind me of a movie where there are only three people left in the world after a huge blowup. Mankind is kaput. But those handful of people have the will to survive. I admire you small group which gathers here incessantly to parse the machinations of the 1990's. It takes stamina. Staying power.

Again, I salute you - Surviving Diariists, regardless of your take on it, pro or con.

Paddy

[Herlock Sholmes]

Do you ever write in plain English? He mentioned his family etc therefore giving away his supposed identity therefore there is no need to disguise his hand. That it’s not in Maybrick’s hand because we are dealing with a bunch of amateurs who couldn’t accurately forge handwriting.

Is there anything about this diary that you can’t twist to try and make it seem real? Barrett tried to buy a Victorian diary - there is no defence for this. A jury would find absolute guilt in this. That a well to do businessman can’t find or buy a diary or some kind of notebook or letter book but instead resorts to tearing pages out of a book used for photographs is additional proof. Put this in a court of law and the Judge wouldn’t have time to take off his wig and take a sip from his cup of tea before he’d be told that the jury were coming back. Unanimously guilty. Diary a forgery. Game over.

[Lombro2]

Of course, when the writing doesn’t match someone’s normal hand, he must be disguising it so he wouldn’t give himself away at the same time by naming his children and his wife.

But if the writing matches somewhat to the diary which no one else would have seen, he’s not disguising himself so he would give himself away by mentioning cotton instead of tweed.

Not even Socrates could think up these doozies.

[rjpalmer]

It's only irrelevant to those who can't think.

[Lombro2]

A highly irrelevant question, it is. It’s not even Maybrick “periferology”. Unless you still believe the family provenance.

Research is much easier in the wide open periphery.

[rjpalmer]

The reason why I persist is the defence of the truth of the matter and until I know it with sufficient certainty, I will not stop - at least not by my own volition.

Good morning, Ike.

I don't know if it is now possible to set aside former hostilities and work in a spirit of cooperation---with the mutual goal of obtaining 'sufficient certainty,' as you put it--but if you think it is possible, I'd like your help in unraveling one small detail. Perhaps one of your correspondents can help.

Did Anne Graham ever confirm that she was employed at Caringbah Hospital in Australia in the 1970s? None of the published sources go into enough detail to be certain, or even to be uncertain. Even the most detailed account only states that she worked as a nurse in Sydney.

It's not a trick question.

Cheers.

[Lombro2]

It amazes me why Peter Kurten would have to disguise his normal hand. What would make it distinguishable from every day German script from the time?