The One Where James Maybrick was Jack the Ripper

[John Wheat]

I still think Ike is a troll however it's clear to me The Baron is an even bigger troll highjacking threads with no other reason than to annoy other posters. At the end of the day The Diary's provenance is appalling. The obvious writers of the Diary are clearly Anne and Mike Barrett.

[Iconoclast]

Nop, Ike is not a troll, he doesn't hijack other threads everytime with one-line posts.
It is fine to disagree with someone, but that doesn't make them trolls as some here want to believe and want others to engage and take their stances along the way.
I suggest you learn from Ike, his writing style for example, his posts are interesting to read nevertheless
The Baron

This is why I try to stick to one thread so that if someone doesn't want to engage with me personally as a poster they can find Ike-free zones elsewhere with little effort, and - yes - I really do get niggled when someone hijacks [good choice of term] 'my' thread with inane and repetitive one-liners which cannot possibly advance the discussion and potentially just influence the more casual reader to think there must be some merit in such unhelpful remarks. If I don't respond, is that taken to be an admission that I have nothing to respond with, for example?

I appreciate your support, Baron.

[The Baron]

What isn't grounded in logic is the idea Maybrick wrote the diary. There is no evidence whatsoever that Maybrick wrote the diary. Also I think you will find that if anyone is troll it's you.

Nop, Ike is not a troll, he doesn't hijack other threads everytime with one-line posts.

It is fine to disagree with someone, but that doesn't make them trolls as some here want to believe and want others to engage and take their stances along the way.

I suggest you learn from Ike, his writing style for example, his posts are interesting to read nevertheless


The Baron

[Iconoclast]

What isn't grounded in logic is the idea Maybrick wrote the diary. There is no evidence whatsoever that Maybrick wrote the diary. Also I think you will find that if anyone is troll it's you.

Okay, have it your way. I really must stop getting sucked-in each time you post the same one-liner.

[John Wheat]

Not if you don't provide the evidence in the form of an argument so that readers can assess the validity of what you are claiming. I assume you must already know this so if I'm being trolled, more fool me.

What isn't grounded in logic is the idea Maybrick wrote the diary. There is no evidence whatsoever that Maybrick wrote the diary. Also I think you will find that if anyone is troll it's you.

[Iconoclast]

But they are grounded in logic.

Not if you don't provide the evidence in the form of an argument so that readers can assess the validity of what you are claiming. I assume you must already know this so if I'm being trolled, more fool me.

[John Wheat]

Did you get a new Cut & Paste button for Christmas?

Just because you have changed the style in which you write it, constantly posting 'one-liners' on the same theme without providing supporting evidence is very unhelpful to the discussion and potentially influences readers into drawing conclusions which are not grounded in any particular logic.

But they are grounded in logic.

[Iconoclast]

In brief I disagree with Ike. Maybrick didn't write the diary and it was clearly written by Anne and Mike Barrett.

Did you get a new Cut & Paste button for Christmas?

Just because you have changed the style in which you write it, constantly posting 'one-liners' on the same theme without providing supporting evidence is very unhelpful to the discussion and potentially influences readers into drawing conclusions which are not grounded in any particular logic.

[John Wheat]

Hi Mike,

Well-done, but it was actually Dan Farson, who interviewed an old East Ender in the 1960s, who recalled the red & white stockings or 'leggings.' (Jack the Ripper, 1973, p. 26). The contemporary sketch from the Police Gazette seems to reflect this.

Many, many moons ago I was talked into going on an elk hunt with an in-law. Unfortunately, he managed to kill one of those magnificent creatures, and when he gutted it in the field, its entrails did indeed 'steam.' (It was a cold morning, somewhere in the low 40s F).

I doubt someone could have dreamed up such a thing unless they had witnessed it with their own eyes.

Although oral accounts are usually dismissed by historians, I give the old man's account some weight, and there was indeed a crowd of men & boys crowded in the back corridor of No. 29 Hanbury Street before Dr. Phillips' arrival. If he was correct about the steam, then Richardson, Long, and Cadosch were correct in their accounts, and Chapman died around 5.30 a.m.

It has no bearing on the Maybrick Hoax, but it is another blow to the Lechmere Heresy.

So, in brief, I disagree with Ike. Sock colors do matter!

Season greetings.

In brief I disagree with Ike. Maybrick didn't write the diary and it was clearly written by Anne and Mike Barrett.

[rjpalmer]

Richard Whittington Egan tells a story about once interviewing someone who claimed to have been on the scene on the morning of Annie's body being found, and that he remembered the red and white striped leggings and a "steaming pile" of innards.

He doesn't really elaborate on that story, unfortunately. I think it's in his Definitive Casebook, IIRC.

Hi Mike,

Well-done, but it was actually Dan Farson, who interviewed an old East Ender in the 1960s, who recalled the red & white stockings or 'leggings.' (Jack the Ripper, 1973, p. 26). The contemporary sketch from the Police Gazette seems to reflect this.

Many, many moons ago I was talked into going on an elk hunt with an in-law. Unfortunately, he managed to kill one of those magnificent creatures, and when he gutted it in the field, its entrails did indeed 'steam.' (It was a cold morning, somewhere in the low 40s F).

I doubt someone could have dreamed up such a thing unless they had witnessed it with their own eyes.

Although oral accounts are usually dismissed by historians, I give the old man's account some weight, and there was indeed a crowd of men & boys crowded in the back corridor of No. 29 Hanbury Street before Dr. Phillips' arrival. If he was correct about the steam, then Richardson, Long, and Cadosch were correct in their accounts, and Chapman died around 5.30 a.m.

It has no bearing on the Maybrick Hoax, but it is another blow to the Lechmere Heresy.

So, in brief, I disagree with Ike. Sock colors do matter!

Season greetings.

[Mike J. G.]

I've never seen anyone discuss this weighty topic, but the colour of Annie Chapman's socks may be of considerable importance.

I was surprised to see that the 2011 documentary Jack the Ripper: The Definitive Story depicts them as red & white striped, but I don't know of a contemporary source that justifies this.

I wish I did.

Richard Whittington Egan tells a story about once interviewing someone who claimed to have been on the scene on the morning of Annie's body being found, and that he remembered the red and white striped leggings and a "steaming pile" of innards.

He doesn't really elaborate on that story, unfortunately. I think it's in his Definitive Casebook, IIRC.

[rjpalmer]

There is some support for the accuracy of this depiction in the Illustrated Police News of 29 September 1888.

They are shown to have bold stripes, but what colour?

[rjpalmer]

Would you then stop creating threads about what colour Mrs Puddleduck's socks...?

I've never seen anyone discuss this weighty topic, but the colour of Annie Chapman's socks may be of considerable importance.

I was surprised to see that the 2011 documentary Jack the Ripper: The Definitive Story depicts them as red & white striped, but I don't know of a contemporary source that justifies this.

I wish I did.

[Patrick Differ]

Hi Ike,
Thank you for indulging my first impression. I'm actually 72 years yound and have been reading Ripper books for over 30 years. Also an engineer by trade so logic and theory are ingrained into this head. Will research more on Maybick and Bury since they appear to be argued for and my guess would be for good reason. Cheers.

[rjpalmer]

I don't think she has quite the same powerful mindset regarding Maybrick who - by anyone's definition - remains a plausible author

You two have built such a rapport, Ike, that I would certainly hesitate before challenging your perception. It might indeed be so.

Off-hand, I can't recall Caz ever challenging the 'Maybrick dunnit' hypothesis with the vigor and contempt she has shown for the utterly simple and sensible suggestion that he who brought it, wrought it...with the help of his long-suffering wife, of course, the future co-authoress of an entirely different book on the Maybrick case.

A double event?

But why quibble on this holy night?

Sláinte