Watch Discussion (moved thread)

[Graham]

I would also like to know who ended up with the watch. Surely someone knows where it went?

There was a Texan guy called (I think) Davis, a collector of murder memorabilia, who pestered Albert Johnson for years to sell him the watch - I think he offered as much as $40000 at one time. Whether he got it or not, I don't know. Johnson humg onto it, as far as I'm aware, so maybe it's with his heirs.

Cheers,

Graham

[John Hacker]

I would also like to know who ended up with the watch. Surely someone knows where it went?

[Victor]

So, does anyone know who bought the watch in the end?

[Omlor]

Soothy,

First of all, the term is "Cartesian." If you are going to attempt some lame little joke about Descartes, you should at least get the terms right -- otherwise you just sound like you are trying too hard.

Secondly, as was pointed out to you in some detail on another thread by someone else, the diary does not mention any FM anywhere nor does it mention any initials in Mary's room. In fact, the passages one actually finds in the text make it clear that it cannot be talking about the imaginary letters you mention. And, of course, there are none on her wall in any case.

Finally, there is no question that this book is a cheap hoax. The jury of fully qualified Ripper experts, and even the jury of simple common sense, settled that question long before you arrived here. Perhaps that's because every single bit of real evidence we have points exclusively towards that conclusion, thereby allowing for a perfectly valid inductive argument. And one doesn't even need to make the glaring logical howlers you had to make when you were arguing otherwise here recently.

In any serious discussion, Joel's "logic and common sense" trump your irrational desire and utter lack of evidence every single time.

And that's as it should be.

--John

[joelhall]

just seems while people argue over this scientific evidence, as this is the new religion, mostly as they believe that it will back up their own opinion, logic & common sense flies out the window.

joel

[Soothsayer]

ohhhhh.

i thought that & the diary were a load of b****cks?

i dont think most people need scientific testing to tell them that, do they?

joel

With classic Descartian logic your comments above reflect those of too many of our fellow posters and reveal all we need to know about the self-appointed doyens of truth who come on this site and yell very loudly that the diary is a clear and obvious hoax.

I think [the diary must be a hoax], therefore I am [incapable of considering any other possibility to be the case].

I think [I know everything and everything I know is the Truth], therefore I am [not to be challenged or questioned or spoken to unless it is in a tone of deferential admiration].

The diary has its weaknesses - the handwriting, the Poste House anachronism, the three Eddowes items effectively one after another from Fido, the breasts in the wrong place chief amongst them.

But the diary also has its strengths - the reference to 'FM' in Kelly's room absolutely fundamental amongst them.

The jury of true and honest men is actually still out because for all its weaknesses and all its critics over the years, no one single piece of evidence has been incontrovertible.

There is a Middle Way ...

[Graham]

Correct

Graham

[joelhall]

ohhhhh.

i thought that & the diary were a load of b****cks?

i dont think most people need scientific testing to tell them that, do they?

joel

[Graham]

In any thread in which Maria takes an interest, it's anyone's guess.

However, I believe that the original thrust of this thread concerned the authenticity, or otherwise, of the infamous 'Maybrick' watch... I think.

Graham

[joelhall]

er....

forgive me. who exactly is arguing for what?

joel

[Graham]

Yes, Maria. My secret is out. I AM Anne Graham.

Am I?

Graham

PS: under your name it says 'detective'. I suggest that the first 't' is replaced with an 'f'.

[Graham]

Fair enough, John, but we wonders - yes, we wonders - just how many copies of that book are being sold today.

Graham

[Omlor]

Graham,

http://www.amazon.com/Jack-Ripper-Co...1857510&sr=1-1

All the best,

--John

[Graham]

Maria,

Don't know if your eyesight is getting poor with your advancing years, but this thread is actually about the watch, not the diary. And I'm not being inescrupulous, either.

Can you please enlighten us as to precisely who is still making money out of the Diary (even though I ignore my own advice regarding the subject of this thread?)

Graham

[Maria]

Seing is believing.

After 13 years we have seen nothing. The Platt test proved absolutely nothing, so there is nothing to brag there. The diary continues to be a hoax.

Now that the forgers have been caught with the wrong hand-writing in the diary first attributed to James, they are now claiming: " Wait a minute... it is really Michael Maybrick who did it not James " Pull the other one ! ha,ha,ha.

It is so very funny to see how the fools will fall for this one as well and these inescrupulous people who are selling books based on this hoax can continue doing more money on it.

I think is the perfect scam. It just involves the fools falling for it.