Who were they?

[Iconoclast]

You may.

I had already made it abundantly clear that I would welcome polite remarks rather than those of the kind to which I have become accustomed.

The fact that someone else previously pointed out something does not mean that it is somehow wrong when I point it out.

As for your description of me as 'Johnny-Come-Lately', it was made clear to me before anyone said anything about my 'discoveries' having been made long before that my presence on this thread is not welcome.

I refer to:

'But some friendly advice, you might simply want to say "oops, wrong room. Sorry about that" ' (#286 from c.d.)

the friendly advice which obviously is not as friendly as it purports to be, and


'You might regret stepping foot into this world.' (# 288 from erobitha)

which seems considerably less friendly, and


'So, be as smarmy as you want, but you are not up on all the facts.' (# 301 from erobitha)

and

'I assume that he or she is confused...That's what happens when you don't think things through.' (# 329 from Iconoclast)

or

'Can anyone help him or her make sense of the conundrum they just wandered into there?' (# 338 from Iconoclast)


I thought the whole point of a discussion forum is to welcome new contributors, not to tell them that they are unwelcome.

But what is your purpose?

Is it to establish the truth about the so-called Maybrick diary, or is it that you see yourself as

'The one whose mission in life is to defend the Maybrick scrapbook (and the Maybrick watch) against all stupidities, ill-thought out 'arguments', and fashionable misunderstandings.'

I ask why you defend the Maybrick scrapbook by writing

'PS The expression one-off was almost certainly in some sort of nascent use by 1888...'

without offering any evidence in support of your assertion.

As for your description of me as 'Johnny-Come-Lately', if one of us is a 'Johnny-Come-Lately', it is you - a latecomer to the world of polite discussion.

If you take yourself too seriously - certainly on the Maybrick threads - you are guaranteed a roasting. I have literally begged new people to come on to these threads and post their opinions but I'm afraid you came on with such a loud shirt that you just invited opprobrium. The people who warned you were not your enemies, you idiot, they were worried about you because they knew what was coming.

Pretty much everyone gets it (as in, gets a shirt load of flak), but only a certain type of poster takes it to heart and you very quickly displayed yours on your shirt sleeve.

Guaranteed to set the sharks circling.

Stop taking yourself so seriously, recognise that it's probably all been done to death many times over, and enjoy the ride. You're like a wound-up passenger in the back of my taxi and - frankly - I'm looking forward to when you get out which is a shame because (as I say) I would love more people to contribute if for no other reason than I wouldn't have to read posts by muppets such as Palmer, AethelMermon, Fishcake, Normal, Wheatabix, etc..

No offence, by the way, lads ...

[Iconoclast]

yes i admit it. its a yanky saying.

I knew it - I'm always right!

It's like a gift ...

[Iconoclast]

Good Lord, Ike.

Trust you not to understand the definition of harmony. Cadence maybe, or rhythm...

Or did you mean spoil the harmonious ambiance of the Maybrick forums?

But of course, RJ - we were all getting along so well for about two posts and then you go and stick the boot in!

[Iconoclast]

As for your description of me as 'Johnny-Come-Lately', it was made clear to me before anyone said anything about my 'discoveries' having been made long before that my presence on this thread is not welcome.

I refer to:

'But some friendly advice, you might simply want to say "oops, wrong room. Sorry about that" ' (#286 from c.d.)

the friendly advice which obviously is not as friendly as it purports to be, and

I am afraid that you are wrong, P.I. It was most definitely friendly advice. Your presence on this thread means nothing to me one way or another but it didn't take a clairvoyant to see how it would turn out and now it appears that I was correct.

If you recall, I also advised you not to mess with Ally and we all now how that turned out for you.

As for advice, I can but lead the horse to water etc. etc.

c.d.

Hey, you led them, c.d., they just didn't seem to know it was water you were offering, mate. Probably your reputation precedes you, huh?

[Iconoclast]

Where is the evidence that 'get your shirt straight' is an expression in English anywhere?

I typed it into Google's search engine and nothing came up.

That's more like it, PI 1 - I literally pissed myself at this one! Brilliant one-liner, love it!

Hey, you can stay if you're going to be hitting notes like this one ...

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

If you take yourself too seriously - certainly on the Maybrick threads - you are guaranteed a roasting. I have literally begged new people to come on to these threads and post their opinions but I'm afraid you came on with such a loud shirt that you just invited opprobrium. The people who warned you were not your enemies, you idiot, they were worried about you because they knew what was coming.

Pretty much everyone gets it (as in, gets a shirt load of flak), but only a certain type of poster takes it to heart and you very quickly displayed yours on your shirt sleeve.

Guaranteed to set the sharks circling.

Stop taking yourself so seriously, recognise that it's probably all been done to death many times over, and enjoy the ride. You're like a wound-up passenger in the back of my taxi and - frankly - I'm looking forward to when you get out which is a shame because (as I say) I would love more people to contribute if for no other reason than I wouldn't have to read posts by muppets such as Palmer, AethelMermon, Fishcake, Normal, Wheatabix, etc..

No offence, by the way, lads ...

I have highlighted in bold the gratuitous insult in your post above.

If anyone should 'get out', it is you, not I.

[c.d.]

P.I., You seem to have mistaken me for the administrators of the website. I don't care how you have been treated or whether or not you have been fairly treated. If you remember, I told you this would happen. But again, you seem to think I am the one doing this to you. No, just no. All I did is tell you that this would happen. Good Lord, man try to get that through your head. I am not your enemy here.

c.d.

[Iconoclast]

Where is the evidence?

The evidence is that it's primarily Yanky boys and girls who say it ...

[Iconoclast]

Again, you have missed the point, P.I. I care absolutely nothing about your views regarding the validity of the diary. They may be or not be correct. Again, I don't care. What I meant by I knew how it would turn out is that I knew with virtual metaphysical certainty that you would take a lot of flak for your views. That you would attempt to defend them all the way into dead horse territory. And I knew that you would feel ganged up on and mistreated. And I was right.

You should have no quarrel with me. I am not part of the diary crowd that is giving you ****. I tried to warn you and you didn't listen and now you are caught up in it with no way out.

c.d.

The diary crowd is giving PI 1 a shirt?

Can I get one?

[Iconoclast]

That's a bit strong cd. Sounds like poor old pi has been caught up in some heavy shirt.

Damn - I was going to say exactly that!

I hate being second!

[Iconoclast]

You are not seriously suggesting that I have been treated fairly and have imagined that I have been 'ganged up on and mistreated'?

You haven't been ganged-up on at all. Ero b and I have given you some honest feedback that you're about 20 years too late to the party, and the rest of them have basically said, "Run away!".

Personally, I hope you stay after that 'shirt' gag of yours ...

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

The evidence is that it's primarily Yanky boys and girls who say it ...

Where is the evidence?

If you cannot produce any evidence of the use of that expression, then that means it cannot be true.

[Iconoclast]

lol. The shirts are the men that will not be blamed for nothing.

No wonder Warren rubbed it out - imagine the tailors that may have got a good kicking later that day if he hadn't!

[Iconoclast]

I have highlighted in bold the gratuitous insult in your post above.

If anyone should 'get out', it is you, not I.

But I said it so fondly - how could you be offended?

By the way, well done on the correct use of 'I' rather than 'me'.

As I say, you can stay. You can raise the general standard of spelling and grammar a bit ...

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

You haven't been ganged-up on at all. Ero b and I have given you some honest feedback that you're about 20 years too late to the party, and the rest of them have basically said, "Run away!".

Personally, I hope you stay after that 'shirt' gag of yours ...

Are you denying that you called me an idiot?