New Book: The Maybrick Murder and the Diary of Jack the Ripper

[Mike J. G.]

Hi Mike,

Chris is a 'really nice fella', even if I can't go along with much of his reasoning when it comes to the mechanics of a modern hoax. Where Chris and I appear to agree is why the hell anyone would have gone to the trouble - and risk - of faking the Maybrick diary and then let Mike Barrett of all people anywhere near it.

Another thing I don't understand is why Anne Barrett would have put the Poste House in the diary, when all it took was a quick trip to the Central Library to check the directories and find out that no pub of that name existed in 1888, and the one in Cumberland Street appears to have been called something else right up until well into the 20th century. It was never an actual post house and had no postal connections before the 1890s, and then only in name due to its proximity to the newly established post office.

The idea that Anne would have been daft enough in the early 1990s to run with the Poste House, when she could have identified any Liverpool pub which the real James Maybrick would have known by name and could have used in 1888 - or simply used a safe generic word instead - makes me wonder how on earth this same woman managed to impress Martin Fido and go on to research and write her own book on Florence Maybrick.

Love,

Caz
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Allo Caz,

All I'll say is that I do find myself inclined to agree with you. It is all very curious.

Cheers!

[caz]

Hi Mike,

Chris is a 'really nice fella', even if I can't go along with much of his reasoning when it comes to the mechanics of a modern hoax. Where Chris and I appear to agree is why the hell anyone would have gone to the trouble - and risk - of faking the Maybrick diary and then let Mike Barrett of all people anywhere near it.

Another thing I don't understand is why Anne Barrett would have put the Poste House in the diary, when all it took was a quick trip to the Central Library to check the directories and find out that no pub of that name existed in 1888, and the one in Cumberland Street appears to have been called something else right up until well into the 20th century. It was never an actual post house and had no postal connections before the 1890s, and then only in name due to its proximity to the newly established post office.

The idea that Anne would have been daft enough in the early 1990s to run with the Poste House, when she could have identified any Liverpool pub which the real James Maybrick would have known by name and could have used in 1888 - or simply used a safe generic word instead - makes me wonder how on earth this same woman managed to impress Martin Fido and go on to research and write her own book on Florence Maybrick.

Love,

Caz
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[Mike J. G.]

Just popping by to say that, to add to my above post, I've nothing against the book at all, that wasn't my point at the time.

As for the book itself, having read and listened to Chris's thoughts on the topic, I generally applaud and agree with a lot of it, though as a few in here have already pointed out, I would like to see him elaborate on certain parts of his reasoning, the watch, for instance...

I really do enjoy Chris's approach, though, and he seems like a really nice fella who has certainly done a lot of research into Jim and Flo'.

My thoughts on the diary haven't changed too much, however. I still believe it's a modern hoax, although I'm a bit more open now to the potential alternatives, as I've mentioned before. Kudos to Chris on his work, either way, and he's a (sort of) local lad as well.

Cheers

[Mike J. G.]

I'm quite surprised by this post, as I thought Mike J. G. would have cheered his head off to see this particular title being voted 'book of the year'. Instead, his tone sounds a bit derogatory.

Has our Mike changed his football scarf, or has he not even bothered to work out the nature of THE END GAME?

This was not the end, in case Mike was wondering. It was not even the beginning of the end, or the end of the beginning.

And of course, there was no MAYBRICK MURDER on Riversdale Road either. I think the authors got that bit right, despite what the title might suggest.

You can't 'murder' cats and dogs.

Love,

Caz
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I'm not sure why you think I'd be cheering, Caz, but I applaud your vision of me as the type of fella who cheers about stuff, lol.

Most Ripper books are incredibly daft, in my honest opinion. Don't get me started on Ripper fiction! Absolute horseshit.

I was basically just pointing out how unremarkable it is (in my humble opinion, of course) to be voted "Ripper book of the year" by an online Ripper book group. Kind of like having your homemade walnut cake voted cake of the month by the old lady who lives up the road.

I agree, though, that no murder took place on Riversdale. And you already know that I'm quite partial to a bit of Maybrick, though I think enough has been penned already, and I still don't think he wrote any diary, mind, nor do I reckon he was ever supping a jar of bitter in the Poste Haste...err, House... Or slaying unfortunates down in London town. But I do enjoy the Diary as a bit of Tom Slemen-type fiction... Indeed, the only Ripper fiction I'm partial to.

I've nothing against a new book, though, that's not what I was saying. To each, their own, and all that.

I'm still a red, by the way, though I'm still employed by the blues, for all my sins!

Hope you're well, Caz.

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[caz]

Getting your JtR themed book voted book of the year by a JtR themed Facebook book group is kind of like having your fishing book voted fishing book of the year by the Anglers Association Facebook book group.

Saying that, with the sheer volume of ridiculous JtR books being crapped out every other week by every other Tom, Dick and Harry, that probably is some kind of feat.

I'm quite surprised by this post, as I thought Mike J. G. would have cheered his head off to see this particular title being voted 'book of the year'. Instead, his tone sounds a bit derogatory.

Has our Mike changed his football scarf, or has he not even bothered to work out the nature of THE END GAME?

This was not the end, in case Mike was wondering. It was not even the beginning of the end, or the end of the beginning.

And of course, there was no MAYBRICK MURDER on Riversdale Road either. I think the authors got that bit right, despite what the title might suggest.

You can't 'murder' cats and dogs.

Love,

Caz
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[mpriestnall]

It cannot be a coincidence then, now we have established the existence of two dogs!!!

We know that Aaron kosminski had been charged for walking an unmuzzled dog!

I say this is a case closed now , this is a definitive proof of his guilt.




TB

A shaggy dog story if you ask me.

[mpriestnall]

I found a dog lying under Kelly's window!

Do we know if Maybrick was fond of dogs?!

Looks more like a kangaroo to me tbh.

[Mike J. G.]

VOTED BOOK OF THE YEAR!
THE MAYBRICK MURDER AND THE DIARY OF JACK THE RIPPER: THE END GAME
By Christopher J.M. Jones and Dr Daniel L. Dolgin

We're excited that The Maybrick Murder and the Diary of Jack the Ripper has been voted Book of the Year by the influential Facebook group 'Ripperology Books and More', whose 1,300 members read and discuss hundreds of books on the Whitechapel murders and related history.

It's a fantastic seal of approval on what is the seminal account of two of the greatest mysteries in the annals of crime.

Available in softcover, A4 374 full colour pages.

www.FlorenceMaybrick.com

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Getting your JtR themed book voted book of the year by a JtR themed Facebook book group is kind of like having your fishing book voted fishing book of the year by the Anglers Association Facebook book group.

Saying that, with the sheer volume of ridiculous JtR books being crapped out every other week by every other Tom, Dick and Harry, that probably is some kind of feat.

[AdamNeilWood]

VOTED BOOK OF THE YEAR!
THE MAYBRICK MURDER AND THE DIARY OF JACK THE RIPPER: THE END GAME
By Christopher J.M. Jones and Dr Daniel L. Dolgin

We're excited that The Maybrick Murder and the Diary of Jack the Ripper has been voted Book of the Year by the influential Facebook group 'Ripperology Books and More', whose 1,300 members read and discuss hundreds of books on the Whitechapel murders and related history.

It's a fantastic seal of approval on what is the seminal account of two of the greatest mysteries in the annals of crime.

Available in softcover, A4 374 full colour pages.

https://www.FlorenceMaybrick.com

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[caz]

I found a dog lying under Kelly's window!

Do we know if Maybrick was fond of dogs?!

Hi Baron,

I suspect Maybrick poisoned dogs just for jolly. He'd have shot yours if he'd been there and seen it.

And Liz Prater's kitten would have been silenced with the 'Poison for Cats' found in Battlecrease among Florie Maybrick's effects, despite the fact that she adored kitties and died surrounded by her furry friends.

Love,

Caz
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[Iconoclast]

From the Maybrick A to Z:
Tinne, Earnest ... allegedly had two of his dogs poisoned by James Maybrick because their barking annoyed him...
So here we have it gentlemen, JM was known to be a dog killer, and we have clear 2 dogs drawings on the walls of Kelly's room, I mean what do you want more than this a proof, it is as obvious as the sun in the sky.
TB

Brilliant - this definitely cracks it in my favour! "At last!" I hear you all gasp!

But, just to clarify, where is the James Maybrick document in which he makes reference to his having drawn dogs in Mary Kelly's room or on her walls (inside or out)?

That bit's a wee bit crucial, wouldn't you say? Otherwise, the random, desperate, facile identification of an amorphous canine here and an amorphous canine there could not lead to the whoring mother nor her whoring husband, now, could it?

[The Baron]

I found a dog lying under Kelly's window!

Do we know if Maybrick was fond of dogs?!

From the Maybrick A to Z:

Tinne, Earnest ... allegedly had two of his dogs poisoned by James Maybrick because their barking annoyed him...

So here we have it gentlemen, JM was known to be a dog killer, and we have clear 2 dogs drawings on the walls of Kelly's room, I mean what do you want more than this a proof, it is as obvious as the sun in the sky.


TB

[FISHY1118]

I found a dog lying under Kelly's window!

Do we know if Maybrick was fond of dogs?!

I'm afraid that's also fake baron , but nice try

[Iconoclast]

They aren't initials though so the whole thing is a waste of time. The undeniable fact is that the area was examined closely, and guess what - no initials. Reassuring to see life in the fish tank carries on as normal. Don't worry, I put on fresh 'trackies' for this visit ha ha. See you next year.

That's why I also called them 'the shapes' for the benefit of those who seek to contest that 'the shapes' form a highly credible 'F' and a pretty unmistakeable 'M'. Whether they are shapes which look like an 'F' and an 'M' or else - more simply - are an 'F' and an 'M' almost certainly is determined by any underlying biases the individual poster and reader carries around with them.

[Aethelwulf]

It was only because of the Victorian scrapbook that Florrie's initials were ever spotted on Kelly's wall

They aren't initials though so the whole thing is a waste of time. The undeniable fact is that the area was examined closely, and guess what - no initials. Reassuring to see life in the fish tank carries on as normal. Don't worry, I put on fresh 'trackies' for this visit ha ha. See you next year.